Green Deal Providers

[Megavolt]

so the big question is will a small business be able to become a Green deal provider ?

I believe yes but it will be a big investment

 

[Eco Deal]

hmm wont it just mean more acreditations to get at 500 600 a pop ?

 

[Eco Deal]

I believe yes but it will be a big investment

what is the cost likey to be ?

 

[Megavolt]

Sounds about right. It will be time to bend over again am sure

 

[Somecamel]

Sounds about right. It will be time to bend over again am sure

I'm still a bit sore from last time

 

[Earthstore]

From what I can make of it so far, the Green Deal is not worth bothering with, customers will be offered overpriced systems, with poor interest rates, mainly installed by sub contractors, but they can make the payments from the savings.. where is the benifit in that?

We could offer the customer a quality install, at a good price, with an ROI of say 10%, and get them to borrow the money at say 4%, so then they have the choice either use the 6% to repay the loan quicker, or see they annual outgoings for electricity go down by 6%.
These figures are only rough, but they are in the right area.

The government have cocked up anything to do with renewable energy so far, just making it all so complex, do you think the green deal will be any different?

 

[whinmoor]

From what I can make of it so far, the Green Deal is not worth bothering with, customers will be offered overpriced systems, with poor interest rates, mainly installed by sub contractors, but they can make the payments from the savings.. where is the benifit in that?

We could offer the customer a quality install, at a good price, with an ROI of say 10%, and get them to borrow the money at say 4%, so then they have the choice either use the 6% to repay the loan quicker, or see they annual outgoings for electricity go down by 6%.
These figures are only rough, but they are in the right area.

The government have cocked up anything to do with renewable energy so far, just making it all so complex, do you think the green deal will be any different?

Totally agree. It's a complete minefield which is bound to result in total confusion in the mind of the average householder. I think uptake will be very limited as most people will find it all too complicated. There will probably be opportunities for unscrupulous companies to make a quick buck by inflating prices and sending slick salesmen to tell the poor customer that it's actually free because they will be paying it back over a lengthy period through cheaper energy bills.

Yes, the government has proved itself to be pretty hopeless so far with energy policy. At least the original FiT scheme set up by Labour was understandable and workable. All they needed to do was reduce the FiT in line with falling component costs but they screwed it up by creating a bubble which burst and then panicked and ended up looking really stupid in court.

 

[jupestar]

interest rates will be higher than morgage rates.... and that i believe will kill it stone dead in the private sector.

I see this as an elaborate way in which councils can borrow money to install efficency upgrades from large companies who can also lend the money to them. there will be only one winner.

 

[Glen Powell]

what is the cost likey to be ?

20% a healthy balance sheet giving in excess of £50m to spend on investment, they use the word SME a bit too laxed in my opion as this borders on medium to large. I do believe it will change in the future, saying that I also believed it would be really cold this winter

 

[Glen Powell]

hmm wont it just mean more acreditations to get at 500 600 a pop ?

I do understand the costs are more than that but I did not read the details fully, each individual assessor must be DEA qualified on that side then to be a preffered supplier of one of the 22 technologies there is a cost, I did not look to see if one cost covers all or not as we generally discussed the pilot scheme and other aspects with STROMA at that time.

 

[finchy]

Our selling point is our qms Mcs experience, the average plumber/ tradesman don't want all that hassle! I'm Very interested in becoming a provider/assessor / installer...but would us chaps be able to!!

 

[sedgy34]

Off course you can but you will have to team up with a cavity company and maybe window company etc etc
To offer all services the green deal provides for

 

[Glen Powell]

All offering services must have QMS which I beleive has a bit more requirement than the MCS, so the green deal is not open to everyone as most do not want to go down the QMS route so it is simply an evolution from one to the other.

as Sedgy said you will need to link up with all technologies, how you would logistically fund this between all parties I am not sure as your return is over the working life of the products.

 

[SolarRoofSols]

Totally agree. It's a complete minefield which is bound to result in total confusion in the mind of the average householder. I think uptake will be very limited as most people will find it all too complicated. There will probably be opportunities for unscrupulous companies to make a quick buck by inflating prices and sending slick salesmen to tell the poor customer that it's actually free because they will be paying it back over a lengthy period through cheaper energy bills.

Yes, the government has proved itself to be pretty hopeless so far with energy policy. At least the original FiT scheme set up by Labour was understandable and workable. All they needed to do was reduce the FiT in line with falling component costs but they screwed it up by creating a bubble which burst and then panicked and ended up looking really stupid in court.

HIPS spring to mind - they didn't last 2 minutes and what did that leave us with...?...EPC's which most house buyers are not bothered about, their only use is to now make the pv market even more difficult for honest installers like us!

Until i have any confidence that the Green Deal will be here to stay, I can't afford more training/membership fees for something that could be dead 6 months later.

Rant over....for now!

 

[TedM]

The problem for installers is if the GD is able to finance PV installations. That could be a big market but would you want to be an accredited GD Installer or just a sub-contractor to one? Or a one-stop shop GD Advisor, Provider and Installer?

It's still not 100% clear that GD can finance PV (PV is on the draft list of approved GD technologies) but how that would interact with FiTs and the GD 'Golden Rule' is anything but clear or if the ECO grant would bar you from being eligible for FiTs. Nor is it clear how any conflict of interest between the 3 GD parties is going to be handled.

 

[JulianC]

I've yet to find anyone who isn't a training company or tofu munching eco-loon that thinks the Green Deal is a good idea. Certainly not any potential customers at least. The negatives far outweigh any positives as far as I can tell. I shall be keeping one eye on it, but, like others have said, I can't afford (and don't want) further training and fees.