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Almost certainly. Many light fittings with a hollow base have a connector block fixed in their base, the centre terminal connected to a tab earthing the fitting. Where else are you going to make the connection?would the light fitting itself form an enclosure thou ...?
The three paragraphs you have selected from BPG4 wouldn't apply in the case of your original post because:Code 2,says it all really.
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Another one bites the dust ?
Could be potentially dangerous,& definitely a fire hazard.The three paragraphs you have selected from BPG4 wouldn't apply in the case of your original post because:
1. Single insulated conductors are not accessible to touch or likely to come into contact with metalwork
2. Connections are made within an enclosure according to BS7671. Read carefully the regulation I posted at #11
3. No fire barrier has been breached
With this in mind, please explain how you think this is a C2 - potentially dangerous?
Please can you qualify that statement with some kind of explanation? How is it potentially dangerous? What is the increased risk of installing this way? How is there an increased risk of fire over other common installation methods? Please explain.Could be potentially dangerous,& definitely a fire hazard.
Not the best connection.Please can you qualify that statement with some kind of explanation? How is it potentially dangerous? What is the increased risk of installing this way? How is there an increased risk of fire over other common installation methods? Please explain.
Certainly not more of a fire hazard than on a plasterboard ceiling imo, and most modern Class 1 lights use the ceiling as part of their enclosure so presumably they feel it's sufficient.Is that on a brick wall? If so it’s not a fire rest is it?
Not the best connection.
No actually fire barrier,
the connections can be seen,when light is refixed.
Failure of earth connection @ light, danger of live @ fitting,causing shock hazard to persons.
Not the best connection.
No actually fire barrier,the connections can be seen,when light is refixed.
Failure of earth connection @ light, danger of live @ fitting,causing shock hazard to persons.
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How can anyone actually say this is ok, it’s like going back to the bad old days.
Would anyone just leave it like this,C2 .
You funny man.Cliff I don't think EICRs are really your bag.
I’m sorry mate. If the light is fixed back and connections are enclosed, it’s not a fire risk and it’s not a shock risk C3 at best, and that probably been harsh. If a metal fitting isn’t earthed then that’s a C2. If you can get your finger to the connections it’s a C1.You funny man.
My conscience is still intact,& still C2
Ok,down to interpretation,opinion & experience.I’m sorry mate. If the light is fixed back and connections are enclosed, it’s not a fire risk and it’s not a shock risk C3 at best, and that probably been harsh. If a metal fitting isn’t earthed then that’s a C2. If you can get your finger to the connections it’s a C1.
Ideally this should have a metal architrave box behind it, that would be good practice. All you are seeing is bad practice.
At the end of the day it’s your call, how will you carry out works to rectify this c2 if you win the remedial works just out of interest?Ok,down to interpretation,opinion & experience.
Its my report my interpretation,my conscience,I’m sticking.
Thanks all for your comments all taken on board.
That’s a very good question.At the end of the day it’s your call, how will you carry out works to rectify this c2 if you win the remedial works just out of interest?
You can’t tell the client to get new fittings at their expense for a made up C2 ?. Put some flush boxes in.That’s a very good question.
Maybe tell the client to get fittings that are appropriate, or flush suitable boxes/enclosures into the walls.
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