Lights in porch soffit

[DurhamSparky]

i think its an Outdoor light and should be treated as such..!

 

[Dazza1976]

now to bring some controversy into the equation. its in a porch. it's attached to the building fabric. so not notifiable. minor works certificate.

Funnily enough I was about to ask this same question, as I also read somewhere that if the fitting is attached to the building then it does not need notifying. Can anyone else clarify this ??

 

[telectrix]

i think its an Outdoor light and should be treated as such..!

so what if he fits an outside door to the porch? it's indoors then. will re-read part p when next i get bored out of my skull.

 

[telectrix]

Funnily enough I was about to ask this same question, as I also read somewhere that if the fitting is attached to the building then it does not need notifying. Can anyone else clarify this ??

my interpretation of part pee exactly.

 

[Adam W]

so what if he fits an outside door to the porch? it's indoors then. will re-read part p when next i get bored out of my skull.

Didn't he say the lights were going in the soffit? Making them outside and exposed?

 

[Adam W]

So can you get out of having to notify work in kitchens and bathrooms by screwing the fittings to the fabric of the building?

 

[telectrix]

still attached to the fabric of the building.

 

[brucelee]

tel has this right
light fixed to outside wall attached to building doesnt need notifying if not a new circuit

a socket does as this could be used to supply a cable that crosses the garden

 

[cbw]

So its an EIC then and not a minor works, due to upside down rain.


For some reason I am now singing purple rain.......................

 

[malcolmsanford]

(i)
The installation of equipment attached to the
outside wall of a house (for example security
lighting, air conditioning equipment and radon
fans) is not notifiable provided that there are
no exposed outdoor connections and the
work does not involve the installation of a
new circuit or the extension of a circuit in a
kitchen or special location or associated with
a special installation.

I would say that Tel was right and it is not notifiable, as long as it adheres to above taken from the Part P silliness.

 

[danzor]

So its an EIC then and not a minor works, due to upside down rain.


For some reason I am now singing purple rain.......................

Exactly my thoughts!

 

[telectrix]

So can you get out of having to notify work in kitchens and bathrooms by screwing the fittings to the fabric of the building?

no, becasuse that's special location. see malc's post#50

 

[Octopus]

(i)
The installation of equipment attached to the
outside wall of a house (for example security
lighting, air conditioning equipment and radon
fans) is not notifiable provided that there are
no exposed outdoor connections and the
work does not involve the installation of a
new circuit or the extension of a circuit in a
kitchen or special location or associated with
a special installation.

I would say that Tel was right and it is not notifiable, as long as it adheres to above taken from the Part P silliness.

I re-read this and would agree with Tel. Less money to pay Elecsa then as I've always notified outside lights!

 

[telectrix]

I re-read this and would agree with Tel. Less money to pay Elecsa then as I've always notified outside lights!

the bit about exposed outdoor connections. one could argue that this would make a socket outlet notifiable, but then if it was IP55 with a flap on, there's then no exposed outdoor connections, so it would be non-notifiable. typical part pee confusion.

 

[Octopus]

the bit about exposed outdoor connections. one could argue that this would make a socket outlet notifiable, but then if it was IP55 with a flap on, there's then no exposed outdoor connections, so it would be non-notifiable. typical part pee confusion.

Typical Part P confusion - defintely, however I would say that an outdoor socket is always notifiable.

 

[telectrix]

that's how i interpret it.

 

[Adam W]

(i)
The installation of equipment attached to the
outside wall of a house (for example security
lighting, air conditioning equipment and radon
fans) is not notifiable provided that there are
no exposed outdoor connections and the
work does not involve the installation of a
new circuit or the extension of a circuit in a
kitchen or special location or associated with
a special installation.

I would say that Tel was right and it is not notifiable, as long as it adheres to above taken from the Part P silliness.

I stand corrected.

 

[brucelee]

outside sockets are notifiable mate its in the elecys guide to building regs

the installation of a socket outlet on a external wall is notifiable , since the socket outlet is an outdoor connector that could be connected to cables that cross the garden and requires RCD protection

 

[telectrix]

squirrels are well known for attacking nests. If you do a web search on how to deter them you may come up with something.

and the relevance to all things electrical is ???????

 

[rocker]

nope not all outside fittings are ip 4 rated some are only ip2 so not such a stupid answer was it. know it all

the first number on IP codes are for physical ingress protection, not moisture protection. the second number is for moisture protection.