When does the Law act !!!!! ,

[reidmaguire]

Most of my jobs of late have come from "when DIY goes bad", and they have to call someone! - I guess they call me as I have an ad in the Post Office, and they think that as i am a small outfit it wont be as embarrasing!

Two botched CU's to rectify in the last week, along with an outside socket 30m burried PVC wired with two taped joints that keeps tripping!!

The thing that amazes me is how many people say the job was done by someone else!!

B&Q have a special on Wylex boards at the moment just near the tree lights - so should be a festive Christmas

 

[dragon-av]

Wow amberleaf you have made a great point, no one should be legally allowed to do anything they havent been rubber stamped by the gorvernment as "qualified"


No madam you cant bake a cake you dont have a Food Hygiene certificate.

No Sir you can't dig your garden you havent got the correct paperwork.

Part P doesn't cover most domestic electrical tasks, anyone who is competent can do it.

Don't get me started on so called professionals who think anything that is cabled is in their remit.

 

[amberleaf]

This is a true Story , Amberleaf ,

I got a call out on fri afternoon , nov / 20 / 09
From a sub letting agency had some small jobs before this , they tenant had a problem with a shower ?
the fuse box was a re-wirable 30Amp ( not a RCD in site )
Traced the cable under the floorboards 6.0mm2 / junction box via cooker to the shower , the cooker was disconnect at one point the earth was cut off at the fuse box end ,
The cooker wire was running under the bathroom floor to the kitchen , 3 meters to shower 6.0mm2 / junction box via cooker ,
Some ---- wired it back in with out connecting the earth ,
Some silly chap wired the earth onto the copper pipes in the bathroom , thinking it was earthed lifted up floorboards there was copper on to plastic pipes , with out lifting the floor boards up you would no see the plastic pipes ,
This shower was installed onto the wall next to the bath it was a 14 year old boy had his bath was washing his hair standing up in the bath the shower went into a fault this poor boy took the impact I can still see the boy eyes how the boy survived I don’t know ,
Am not blaming anybody , I had a lump to my throat that day
PS , the sub letting agency had no records of a shower in this house , just a bath !!!!
I felt guilty asking for my fee , it was not a good day for me ,

The Cooker & Shower was disconnected for good cut the cable , and blank fuse plate was but on ,
Water was Capped off at the shower , under the bath

When is the Government going to sit up , to many loop holes ,

 

[andyb]

When is the Government going to sit up , to many loop holes ,

No loop hole here, there is enough here to throw the preverbial book.

I assume you informed the powers that be.

What happened ?

 

[kung]

As said enough is enough we need to unite and hold the scheme providers/government/building controll etc up and ask why were NOT supported correctly we need the corgi/gas safe directors to take over this industry that will sort this mess out for us ! why is it they can get it sussed and its a wee bit hard for the electrical trade to get treated the same ! They have introduced part p for us and nobody wants or cares about it enough to fix whats broken ! if they dont want to know why the hell dont they just say plain and simple ONLY qualified sparks legally allowed to work on electrical installs anyone else caught WILL recieve JAIL no ifs or buts and throw away the part p crap that DOESNT work only for the course opperators ! simple as that !

 

[andyb]

I don't see your point Kung.

You say we should be like gas safe.
Ok, so if the situation below was gas not eletricity what would be diferent?

This is a true Story , Amberleaf ,

I got a call out on fri afternoon , nov / 20 / 09
From a sub letting agency had some small jobs before this , they tenant had a problem with a shower ?
the fuse box was a re-wirable 30Amp ( not a RCD in site )
Traced the cable under the floorboards 6.0mm2 / junction box via cooker to the shower , the cooker was disconnect at one point the earth was cut off at the fuse box end ,
The cooker wire was running under the bathroom floor to the kitchen , 3 meters to shower 6.0mm2 / junction box via cooker ,
Some ---- wired it back in with out connecting the earth ,
Some silly ---- wired the earth onto the copper pipes in the bathroom , thinking it was earthed lifted up floorboards there was copper on to plastic pipes , with out lifting the floor boards up you would no see the plastic pipes ,
This shower was installed onto the wall next to the bath it was a 14 year old boy had his bath was washing his hair standing up in the bath the shower went into a fault this poor boy took the impact I can still see the boy eyes how the boy survived I don’t know ,
Am not blaming anybody , I had a lump to my throat that day
PS , the sub letting agency had no records of a shower in this house , just a bath !!!!
I felt guilty asking for my fee , it was not a good day for me ,

The Cooker & Shower was disconnected for good cut the cable , and blank fuse plate was but on ,
Water was Capped off at the shower , under the bath

When is the Government going to sit up , to many loop holes ,

The law would still be broken,
Lives would still be put at risk
And nobody would be prosecuted because nobody has been informed.

We are not a million miles from what you want.
As an unqualified plumber I can legally buy any plumbing fittings and undertake any work I choose.
All that I can't do is connect to the gas or do any live gas work.

I need someone registered for that

(bit like part p realy)

 

[kung]

I don't see your point Kung.

You say we should be like gas safe.
Ok, so if the situation below was gas not eletricity what would be diferent?
The law would still be broken,
Lives would still be put at risk
And nobody would be prosecuted because nobody has been informed.

We are not a million miles from what you want.
As an unqualified plumber I can legally buy any plumbing fittings and undertake any work I choose.
All that I can't do is connect to the gas or do any live gas work.

I need someone registered for that

(bit like part p realy)

The point is that in the electrical industry not many people know whats required in electrical work only people working in it unlike gas safe where everyone knows whats what the point im making is that if we had the coverage like gas safe even though its fairly new and the change over from corgi to gas safe was well publicised we dont get the requirments to the public as well as gas safe have done thus more people having this type of work done ! take your point that the law would still be broken but how many people do you know have been prosicuted for unlawfull electrical work ? was that none ? untill this happens wheres the deterrent ? the point that you and thousands of other people know you need a registered and you knew it was gas safe is also my point all most of my customers think is for electrical work they need an electrician what electrician is is no limit my gran can say because she wired a plug in she's an electrician and whos to argue ? theres no min qual for our industry unlike gas safe also most things are non notifiable therefor anyone can do the work apart from anything that requires an E.I.C. gas safe states ONLY registered personell can work on gas installations why dont we have the same ? ONLY qualified registered personell are allowed to work on ANY electrical installations surely that would be easier for joe public to understand ! I do take your point about my post but when you total up how many electrical installs are done by unquallified personell and some dangerous compared to gas work.
Im just saying alot is due to not many people knowing whats required and what they can and cant do.

 

[patricklondon]

again i'm with kung and amberleaf on this one. the whole point of part p is to stop cowboy unsafe electrical works. if it is not enforced or publicised or explained then its only taking money off sparks who want to work legitimately

 

[kung]

Also as in this case if only qualified personell would only be able to work on electricial installations then someone would be accountable for shoddy dangerous workmanship (easy to trace also deturs people from using unregistered sparks) and if the landlord didnt have certs to prove he employed a suitable registered spark he would then be responsible thus would be prosecuted for negligence !

 

[patricklondon]

c'mon lets do a lynching. nail 'em all up