Electrical safety certificate and downlights

[Pete999]

The certificate is not required, but as its a rented property I like to know there isn't something lurking in there.

Bite the bullet and get an EICR done

 

[tom1972]

Bite the bullet and get an EICR done

I completely agree and the electrician has been in to do it. My point is should I need to replace all these lights to get a pass when I have never had a problem before.

 

[Pete999]

I completely agree and the electrician has been in to do it. My point is should I need to replace all these lights to get a pass when I have never had a problem before.

What did the Electrician say on the EICR, did the EICR prove to be a Satisfactory Report? If the Electrician has noted any dicrepencies then as you are the LandLord it's down to you to get them put right
file:///C:/Users/Pete/Desktop/Resources/BestPracticeGuide4-Issue3%20EICR.pdf

 

[Spoon]

What did the Electrician say on the EICR, did the EICR prove to be a Satisfactory Report?

The electrician said he needs to replace all of them before he can issue the certificate so I have no code at this point.

Looks like the electrician or agency the OP has gone through are trying a fast one.
OP: Please clarify. First it wasn't a report and now it is... What did you actually ask the agency for? an EICR?

 

[tom1972]

Looks like the electrician or agency the OP has gone through are trying a fast one.
OP: Please clarify. First it wasn't a report and now it is... What did you actually ask the agency for? an EICR?

I didn't actually ask for anything. The agent prompted me that it had been 3 years since the last "which ever it is" and suggested organising it again so I am only guessing if its a report or a certificate. I didn't know there were two possibilities.

 

[gutterball]

An EICR is a report on the state of the installation, at the time the report was done. Any repairs needed will need a separate certificate. Either a minor works or an EIC, referencing the EICR that the work corrected. He should issue the EICR then it's up to you if you want the work done, and who does that work

 

[Pete999]

I didn't actually ask for anything. The agent prompted me that it had been 3 years since the last "which ever it is" and suggested organising it again so I am only guessing if its a report or a certificate. I didn't know there were two possibilities.

Get the EICR completed and take it from there Mate, read the Best practice guide I posted to you, you should also talk to your insurance company, to sassertainwhat, legally is required of you, as a LandLord, it does nobody any good walking about with their eyes shut, thingking they have done what is required of them. If you think you have already had an EICR done, let the Forum see a copy, shouldn't be to difficult to scan and post, doing this will enable the Forum to offer any advice that is relevant.

 

[Octopus]

£50 per light to replace them - that is one hell of a rip off

Get the agent to give you a copy of the report before you pay for it.

Do not give the go-ahead imho

 

[telectrix]

yeah. £50 /fitting is steep unless he fits decent integrated downlights. the ones i mentioned are these:
JCC V50 Selectable Warm White / Cool White Dimmable LED Downlight JC1001/NB | RS Electrical Supplies - https://www.rselectricalsupplies.co.uk/jcc-v50-selectable-warm-white-cool-white-dimmable-led-downlight-jc1001nb_12016

so each one is £35 labour for 20 minutes. good work if you can get it.

 

[Midwest]

yeah. £50 /fitting is steep unless he fits decent integrated downlights. the ones i mentioned are these:
JCC V50 Selectable Warm White / Cool White Dimmable LED Downlight JC1001/NB | RS Electrical Supplies - https://www.rselectricalsupplies.co.uk/jcc-v50-selectable-warm-white-cool-white-dimmable-led-downlight-jc1001nb_12016

Have you got shares in JCC, seem to be mentioning them a lot

 

[Midwest]

Me thinks the OP has got the picture now;

EICR has been defined a few times, Best Practise Guide 4 posted twice, me Guide 5, discussion on fire safety, down light recommendation & pricing. Who says we don't dish out advice for free

 

[telectrix]

Have you got shares in JCC, seem to be mentioning them a lot

nope. i just like them.

 

[tom1972]

Me thinks the OP has got the picture now;

EICR has been defined a few times, Best Practise Guide 4 posted twice, me Guide 5, discussion on fire safety, down light recommendation & pricing. Who says we don't dish out advice for free

Yes everyone has been very helpful - thank you.

I will wait and see what the electrician says about the reason for replacing them and take from there. I do want to do the right thing, but not waste a lot of money doing so.

Cheers

 

[Toneyz]

Have you got shares in JCC, seem to be mentioning them a lot

Maybe Tel fits them a lot and finds them a good product to install and reliable at a good price, nothing wrong with a good recommendation in this trade.

 

[Toneyz]

Yes everyone has been very helpful - thank you.

I will wait and see what the electrician says about the reason for replacing them and take from there. I do want to do the right thing, but not waste a lot of money doing so.

Cheers

who employed the electrician and were they recommended/preferred contractor by the agent.

 

[tom1972]

who employed the electrician and were they recommended/preferred contractor by the agent.

The agent arranged everything and I don't know who it is. I don't trust the agents as far as I can throw them so that's not a good start.

 

[telectrix]

agents are in it to line their own pockets. £50 per light will probably see £10 per light in agent's bank.

cynical?? who, me?

 

[Pete999]

The agent arranged everything and I don't know who it is. I don't trust the agents as far as I can throw them so that's not a good start.

Change the Agent!

 

[tom1972]

Change the Agent!

That might just be the best advice I have heard all day

 

[Midwest]

nope. i just like them.

Maybe Tel fits them a lot and finds them a good product to install and reliable at a good price, nothing wrong with a good recommendation in this trade.

God.... Everyone is so temperamental these days

 

[Midwest]

That might just be the best advice I have heard all day

Yep the next one will just charge you some more money. Ha.

 

[Martyn Fletcher]

£1300 to swap 18 downlighters?
I've been charging my lot £25 a pop.
I may have to reconsider my ethical standing methinks.

 

[ipf]

What could be an interesting point.....how much did they charge for the EICR?

 

[Octopus]

That might just be the best advice I have heard all day

Just don't let the agent organise the safety certs.....

 

[Toneyz]

I take it that the agent charges you for the electrician's services.

 

[Flanders]

Just to add the guidance for periods between an electrical inspection is 5 years or tenancy change , as for the observation on the down lights i have found in the past that some electrians think the point of a fire ratted fitting is the protect the fabric of the building be damaged by the down light , not that it is to prevent the spread of fire, as others have said those halogen lights give off a lot of heat , if they are the 230 volt lamps you could easily replace them yourself with led lamps which produce very little heat and will save you tenant a couple of quid on the lecky bill

 

[Ramazan]

Here is a very decent guide about IEE Electricians Guide to the Building Regulations. It was published by The Institution of Electrical Engineers, London, UK. Boook gives guidance on Electrical Safety of the building regulations 2000 and on other parts of the building regulations.

The IEE Electricians Guide to the Building Regulations - https://www.voltimum.co.uk/articles/iee-electricians-guide-building-0

 

[Midwest]

A blast from the past.

 

[Taylortwocities]

A blast from the past.

Indeed, way out of date, especially as the 18th is here and the other BRs that it refers to may also have changed.

It is also a very general GUIDE, like the OSG, (not a regulation) and it has a number of items in there that are done "because that's the way its always been done" and do not have a BS7671 regulation to back them up.

 

[pirate]

EICR is compulsory for let properties in Scotland.
Malicious rumour had it that nicola was dating a spark.
Letting agents aren't all bad, but many of them are useless, hence the new legislation that they all have to be registered and licensed. Like that'll help?
I never use an agent, do it myself, choose my contractors, keep control of every stage. OK, if you've got multiple properties, that's a different proposition, but if only 1 or 2, it's DIY time. (NOT for the electrics, I mean for the management)