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I know we give poor old del a bit if a hard time on here, but just seen his latest video, poor blokes had his van done over. Scumbags nicked pretty much everything.
Anyone got any positive stories of good tool insurance? (Unlikely I know)
Also be careful when buying second hand tools off places like fb Market Place. I suspect its places like that that alot of nicked stuff gets shifted on.
Anyone got any positive stories of good tool insurance? (Unlikely I know)
Also be careful when buying second hand tools off places like fb Market Place. I suspect its places like that that alot of nicked stuff gets shifted on.
I watch some of NBs stuff, and he's mildly entertaining. He also admits when he messes up, but some of his installation practices are dubious. He needs to think twice sometimes. He did a particularly awful installation in a garage with conduit and 90° bends everywhere and it made me cringe. Fair play to him, he puts his stuff out there...
I prefer DS, but he doesn't post that often. However, when he does, I really enjoy it, and the effort he puts into his editing. His video about replacing an oven element at Christmas is a classic.
I prefer DS, but he doesn't post that often. However, when he does, I really enjoy it, and the effort he puts into his editing. His video about replacing an oven element at Christmas is a classic.
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Dustydazzler
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I have a veto Pro pac and dewalt stuff. They all come in the house with me every night. The bag and what's in it totals over a grand. Not worth it. If they can't get in the back they just nick the whole van, take it to a yard and then cut the doors off.
Dels situation is horrible but to play devil's advocate, he's on over 4x what an average spark is on, I'm sure he can quickly get a respectable kit together to continue working.
Dels situation is horrible but to play devil's advocate, he's on over 4x what an average spark is on, I'm sure he can quickly get a respectable kit together to continue working.
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Dustydazzler
Its not about the money , its about the invasion and feeling horrible and dejected knowing that you got all your stuff robbed.
My tools are personal to me, I have spend hundreds building up a set of tools that work for me and I know they facilitate me earning a living. They are my tools and I look after them.
How dare a horribel scummy theif just nick me gear and take away my ability (even for a few weeks) to be able to do my job properly and earn my living.
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nicebutdim
Chatted about this with a few guys from work about tool theft and those around my age reckon they'd just quit, rather than buy new kit. Bad enough having a vehicle damaged or stolen, but losing all your tools would be soul destroying.
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Dustydazzler
I reckon most people of Del's age , if they had their van nicked / all the stuff nicked from their van then most would just pack it all in. I honestly think I would....
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Dustydazzler
He could well be , but I reckon more like 70 years old
He has mentioned in a very early video he trained with the council around 1970 so assuming he was around 17 or 18 at the time it would put him around 70 now
Until builders/tradesmen realise the only answer is to give the thieves a good kicking when they are caught this will never end, the thieves know they is absolutely no downside for them, its a win win for them even if the police do catch them. Drag them onto the job and lump hammer their hands, its the only way.
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davesparks
Yes lowering yourself to their level and committing assault is an excellent soloution.
I'm sure we'd all do really well at paying a mortgage and supporting a family from prison.
Plus of course having a criminal record looks notoriously good on a CV.
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nicebutdim
It's not all bad, Dave. Three square meals a day and free accommodation. Employment prospects would indeed likely be reduced, but a significant minority of employers are prepared to give ex-convicts a chance and there are good opportunities for self-employment within the industry.
While I don't generally advocate violence, I'd imagine many contractors might not view this particular type of crime as seriously as many others.
*tongue planted firmly in cheek.
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Dustydazzler
I~ shouldn't have laughed but this did make me chuckle...
So what are you saying happens about it then. Its a proven fact that the police and courts will do absolutely nothing about it, van manufacturers will do nothing about it, a modern van is as easy to break into as a 1960's commer van. What you seem to be saying is its just tough, scum can quite happily take my stuff whenever they feel like it and when they do I need to buy more for them to take the next week.
I don't get your ideology, why would I go out to work to buy other people tools? Madness is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result, the only thing that will work is to try something else, break their fingers.
Have you ever done that?
It’s easy to say online what you “would” do if you were unfortunate enough to have your van broken into.
Different story story faced with a desperate criminal… one who has already broken the law, and won’t think twice about doing it again.
You square up to one of them, armed with your lump hammer… and I can bet which one of you is coming off worse.
Even if you get a swing in… they know the system inside out, and you end up with the criminal record for assault….. whatever the circumstances leading up to it.
You haven’t suggested how you would find out who, exactly, had stolen the tools in the first place.
It’s easy to say online what you “would” do if you were unfortunate enough to have your van broken into.
Different story story faced with a desperate criminal… one who has already broken the law, and won’t think twice about doing it again.
You square up to one of them, armed with your lump hammer… and I can bet which one of you is coming off worse.
Even if you get a swing in… they know the system inside out, and you end up with the criminal record for assault….. whatever the circumstances leading up to it.
You haven’t suggested how you would find out who, exactly, had stolen the tools in the first place.
I can %100 that someone who has basically held a maybe 16yr old against their will and then smashed their hands in with a lump hammer isn’t going to be walking out of a court and is most likely going to get a very long time in prison.
And maybe leaving your family to look after themselves.
The money you would lose plus any compensation would far outweigh the loss of some tools.
How would you react if that happened to your little brother.
My little brother is 63 and if he where the type of person that did that sort of thing (which he is not) I would consider he deserve everything he gets.
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davesparks
What needs to happen is far tougher laws and punishment for offenders. Better security, better security marking of tools and equipment.
Tools should be designed with some kind of security measures in them. Something like an easily removable, unique, 'key' that renders the tool useless when it is removed.
I find it hard to believe that this is a proven fact, can you provide proof?
Yes and they should be made to do something about it through legislation.
Then I think you need to read my post again as I have said nothing of the the sort. What I was saying is that we should not lower ourselves to the level of the criminals.
I'm saying that getting yourself convicted of assault is not going to help your cause at all and is going to harm you far more than it harms the person you attack.
That's not my ideology and I haven't said anything of the sort.
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davesparks
What if he was wrongly accused of it, maybe a case of mistaken identity, would that be OK?
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nicebutdim
In fairness, this particular side discussion appeared to stem from a 'caught red handed' scenario.
Anyone caught in the act of peeling open a van is unlikely to have good reason for doing so.
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davesparks
What about a chased round the corner and grap the first person you see there scenario?
Or catching someone red-handed of looking in the back of a van that someone else has just stolen tools out of?
If you see someone you don't recognise going into the back of someone else's van and decide it's time for a little summary justice only to proceed to smash the hands of their new apprentice/mate who's helping out for a day, is that OK?
Bottom line is quite simple - if crime A can be dealt with by crime B, then there is no fundamental basis to object if crime B is dealt with by crime C. What law and order we have breaks down if this happens, and we descend into total vigilante anarchy.
I'm sorry Del lost his tools, the loss in productivity is massive, and I hope he gets sorted out soon. But IMHO getting a crime number and (hopefully) making use of insurance is probably more productive than listening to hearsay about who did it and plotting revenge.
I'm sorry Del lost his tools, the loss in productivity is massive, and I hope he gets sorted out soon. But IMHO getting a crime number and (hopefully) making use of insurance is probably more productive than listening to hearsay about who did it and plotting revenge.
He never lost them they were stolen
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nicebutdim
I get the points you're making, Dave, but I've also seen the other side of similar issues. People losing hard earned possessions and it might take the police weeks to attend - if ever. "Take this crime reference number to your insurer" isn't the answer to this type of crime as it effectively endorses theft, by reason of losses should have been insured.
We aren't talking about the theft of a ham sandwich by someone unfortunate enough to find themselves homeless and without income. Tool thieves are generally well equiped with and able to make a quick escape with large and heavy items. Tool theft in the UK is a chosen way of life for gangs up and down the country - the same amount of effort in legitimate enterprise would generate significant income, but these people aren't interested in playing that game.
The statistics are out there as are court records, which represent only a tiny percentage of overall thefts. There have been a number of notable sentences handed down, but more often we see relatively light sentences handed out to people with lengthy records of similar theft.
Do I think beating the tripe out of a few thieves is going to make a difference? It certainly won't, but I wouldn't be too hasty to judge someone who took the law into their own hands in such circumstances - walk a mile in their shoes and all that. We've had a decent run of late in construction, but that's coming to an end and tool thefts are going to be the cause of many small businesses sinking as work becomes more scarce, operating costs increase and margins shrink.
One last point is that tool thieves don't stand around looking into vans and nor do they casually carry one or two items. When vans are emptied, it is usually with significant haste, zero care for damage caused and goods are slung uncaringly into a waiting vehicle. Method of entry ranges from expert with minimal signs of ingress to disc cutter used to open the side of a vehicle, but all have one thing in common and that's fast removal of tools and hasty escape - if someone making such an escape happened to run face first into a shovel, I might find myself struggling to feel much in the way of sympathy.
What if he was killed ?
I can just imagine you at his funeral saying he got everything he deserved.
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Very odd, we have gone from giving a thief a slap too murder, the "what if's" are quite interesting to try and justify an opinion.
Giving someone a slap is completely different to smashing their hands in with a lump hammer.
A slap is a common assault and is unlikely to get into a courtroom.
There are many cases of people who have died from a single punch which would be manslaughter.
You obviously don’t watch emmerdale.
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nicebutdim
Is that some kind of reality programme.
For Yorkshire folk.
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