Should we be issuing unsatisfactory EICR certificates with remedials quote?

[Sparky's Auntie]

Hi there, it's the old lady that asks daft questions again.

When we do EICRs that aren't satisfactory, we usually notify the failure, provide a quote for remedials and issue the failed certificate if the landlord/agent doesn't want to proceed with us.

We are now being told by one of our major clients that we need to issue failed certs with the remedial quote as standard, and every other contractor they've ever used does the same. We'll end up doing it to keep them happy, but is that best practise?

Thank you

PS Sorry about the odd prefix, this is definitely not a hobby!

 

[buzzlightyear]

when you supply a EICR you hand them over ,its up to the person ordering the work if they go with you or not to do the remedials
i have never been asked to do a quote with the test certs the same time .

 

[westward10]

It's what the client wants.

 

[HappyHippyDad]

The customer has paid for an EICR, so that's what I give them. I also give a quote for the remedials. On rare occasions, when it is a regular customer, or someone who has made it clear that they need a 'satisfactory' report, I will not bother filling out an unsatisfactory report, I just give the quote, as I know they want the work doing. Plus they have made it clear it will be me doing the work.

I tend to have half the EICR already filled out with all details that are going to be the same (or likely the same). It's easier to take something out 1 in 20 times if its wrong (like a BS1671, type 2b supply protective device for instance), rather than write it out each time.

I also factor filling out the long, boring forms in the initial quote for the EICR. However, you may not have the luxury of that if it is for a major client/estate agent who are just looking for the cheapest EICR's they can find.

 

[littlespark]

Its not a set rule that you MUST include a quote, but many contractors do, just to save a bit of time.

Its been mentioned across the forum numerous times before that a customer does not need to go with the company that produced the report to do the remedial work... so why would it be a "must include..."



Some contractors may do EICR's on the cheap side, and push up the remedials quote to compensate.

Case in point... I've been asked to quote for remedial work. The EICR company quoted £600... I know the building.... i know the system. I can do it for 200.... (possibly quote for 400... )

 

[westward10]

We've had it on large contracts it is part and parcel of the contract in fact apart from the odd one they nearly all want it and whether you get the work is another thing.

 

[7029 dave]

The customer has paid for an EICR, so that's what I give them. I also give a quote for the remedials. On rare occasions, when it is a regular customer, or someone who has made it clear that they need a 'satisfactory' report, I will not bother filling out an unsatisfactory report, I just give the quote, as I know they want the work doing. Plus they have made it clear it will be me doing the work.

I tend to have half the EICR already filled out with all details that are going to be the same (or likely the same). It's easier to take something out 1 in 20 times if its wrong (like a BS1671, type 2b supply protective device for instance), rather than write it out each time.

I also factor filling out the long, boring forms in the initial quote for the EICR. However, you may not have the luxury of that if it is for a major client/estate agent who are just looking for the cheapest EICR's they can find.

IMO I cant see how this situation can be an 100% condition report, when you are correcting c1/c2 /(c3 even). I do understand the reasons but its a bit of a naughty loop hole because its not really a genuine sample of the condition of the installation at the time of the inspection.
Sorry Steve this is not directed at you personally

 

[James]

Providing the EICR certificate is what you have been instructed to do,
pass or fail, the certificate is the thing that you have been employed to provide.

in my opinion, it is not optional but is in fact what you are contracted to do. the quote etc, is the optional part of it.

 

[sunray]

I get my boss to do EICRs in my own rental properties, as we started one I realised the electric shower had been replaced/unpgraded to 10.5KW by the tenant on 32A MCB & 4mm², also the CU was plastic in the entrance porch/only access door.
We mutually called a halt to the testing and moved on to next property which was also plastic CU in porch.
We returned several days later to do the changess and EICRs

 

[newfutile]

What's wrong with a plastic Consumer Unit unless it was installed recently?

 

[EddieB]

This is sort of related , I'm a retired spark I used to be NICEIC registered Ihave all the correct and latest test equipment and I can carry out EICR's but because I no longer belong an approved contractor scheme I'm deemed not qualified anymore to carryout eicr's for friends and family, this is quite annoying.

 

[sunray]

What's wrong with a plastic Consumer Unit unless it was installed recently?

I totally agree.

However there is so much hype about non-combustable, especially in fire escape routes in rental properties and we see so many EICRs listing them a C3,2 or even C1 the agents struggle with the experts opinions etc. Adding that to having to source an MCB for a Wickes CU yada, yada, yada.

For £70 for the CU and less than an hours work which included the EICR and upgrading the undersized shower circuit...

Oh and produding the documentation for the property sale less than a year later was a bonus.

 

[Brother Blue]

This is sort of related , I'm a retired spark I used to be NICEIC registered Ihave all the correct and latest test equipment and I can carry out EICR's but because I no longer belong an approved contractor scheme I'm deemed not qualified anymore to carryout eicr's for friends and family, this is quite annoying.

Nobody has deemed you not qualified, your qualifications haven't changed at all.
You are free to carry out EICRs for friends, family or anyone else.

The only thing you can't do as far as an EICR goes is use the NICEIC logo on the EICR paperwork.

 

[EddieB]

Nobody has deemed you not qualified, your qualifications haven't changed at all.
You are free to carry out EICRs for friends, family or anyone else.

The only thing you can't do as far as an EICR goes is use the NICEIC logo on the EICR paperwork.

That's good to hear, thank you.