New build part p ans being registered

[magnoliafan89]

Hi all

My in laws are having their new build wired bur the company are not part of anybody such as nic eic
They are on about self certifying their work and noy notifying building control....is this possible?
Or would building control need to come and have a look?

 

[LankyWill]

If there not using a scheme to certify they need to notify LABC, this is a more costly route. LABC usually send a scheme registered electrician to oversee the work throughout 1st, 2nd fix stages.

 

[ferg]

Are your in-laws in England or Wales?

Different rules apply elsewhere.

 

[sham]

They can get another Electrician to certify the work and give building notification. Scheme companies as in NIC will say you can not certify somebodies else's work, but you can by law.

 

[Midwest]

Depends on the company, if they are competent and can prove that to your LBC, and their competency is accepted. The notification will come with approval of the new build planning permission.

 

[Fitzy]

If they’re not members of any competent persons scheme, then you won’t know if the rewire is safe or not, or if they know what they’re doing and I doubt any of the certifications will valid either. If I was your in-laws I would sack them and get another CPS registered electrician to complete the rewire.

 

[telectrix]

if it's a new biuild, the installer just needs to prove competence to LABC, usually by giving them a copy of his quals. then on completion give them a copy of the EIC.

 

[ferg]

If they’re not members of any competent persons scheme, then you won’t know if the rewire is safe or not, or if they know what they’re doing and I doubt any of the certifications will valid either. If I was your in-laws I would sack them and get another CPS registered electrician to complete the rewire.

I'm not sure I agree with much if any of that statement.

 

[magnoliafan89]

Ok thanks guys

 

[sham]

If they’re not members of any competent persons scheme, then you won’t know if the rewire is safe or not, or if they know what they’re doing and I doubt any of the certifications will valid either. If I was your in-laws I would sack them and get another CPS registered electrician to complete the rewire.

Agree, why stress.
I believe in covering you back, does it hurt to get in an certified electrician. Unless they can get there own work tested and inspected by a third party.

 

[sham]

I'm not sure I agree with much if any of that statement.

Please elaborate, I want to know this because if it means saving money by not being part of a scheme. I won't renew next year.

 

[telectrix]

my post only applies when planning consent is already in place. i.e. BC are involved anyway. theit £300 fee is to raise a building notice, but this will already have been done as part of the planning approval.

 

[Pete999]

If they’re not members of any competent persons scheme, then you won’t know if the rewire is safe or not, or if they know what they’re doing and I doubt any of the certifications will valid either. If I was your in-laws I would sack them and get another CPS registered electrician to complete the rewire.

So going by your reply, if an Electrician of a certain age, does not belong to a Scheme, He/ She shouldn't be doing rewires because he doesn't know what He/ She is doing, well judging by some of the questions asked on the Forum, neither do some of the Domestic Installers who "belong" to a Scheme. You get it 5 weeks on a DI course, Pass some meaningless course, join a Scheme, get yourself registered with one of the CP outfits, laughable.

 

[sham]

my post only applies when planning consent is already in place. i.e. BC are involved anyway. theit £300 fee is to raise a building notice, but this will already have been done as part of the planning approval.

Just thinking that if BC send there own electrical inspector, he will be part of a scheme anyway. So it would make sense to get the work done by a registered spark anyway. Am I right in saying this.

 

[telectrix]

agreed. competent towork in a nuclear power station, but not considered competent to fit a shower in a house. ridiculous.

 

[sham]

So going by your reply, if an Electrician of a certain age, does not belong to a Scheme, He/ She shouldn't be doing rewires because he doesn't know what He/ She is doing, well judging by some of the questions asked on the Forum, neither do some of the Domestic Installers who "belong" to a Scheme. You get it 5 weeks on a DI course, Pass some meaningless course, join a Scheme, get yourself registered with one of the CP outfits, laughable.

You are right but this is more about what the Law wants.

 

[telectrix]

Just thinking that if BC send there own electrical inspector, he will be part of a scheme anyway. So it would make sense to get the work done by a registered spark anyway. Am I right in saying this.

BC don't need to inspect if they accept that a non-registered spark is competent.

 

[telectrix]

by rocketing the costs to sparks being in a scam, part pee has had the opposite effect of what is was designed for. more and more cowboys, no certs.bodge jobs, cost being the king with your general punter.

 

[Pete999]

If they’re not members of any competent persons scheme, then you won’t know if the rewire is safe or not, or if they know what they’re doing and I doubt any of the certifications will valid either. If I was your in-laws I would sack them and get another CPS registered electrician to complete the rewire.

What exactly is the City and Guilds Qualification you currently hold Fitzy?

 

[Pete999]

You are right but this is more about what the Law wants.

Then the Law is an Arse

 

[sham]

BC don't need to inspect if they accept that a non-registered spark is competent.

Really ? Is that through A JIB card or college certificates or the results of the Inspection and Testing results ?
As you are the one signing the certificate, you are stating that all is to latest Regulations. Something to think about.
However, if my memory serves me correctly. Part P document states that a certified electrician should carry out the works and certify or the work should have a third party certificate by scheme member.

 

[sham]

Then the Law is an Arse

I know but unless somebody starts a rebellion, or a partition we have to follow some rules to cover our backs.

 

[magnoliafan89]

Well judging by the work these guys have done so far and stories ive heard elswhere they are cowboys

 

[Pete999]

Really ? Is that through A JIB card or college certificates or the results of the Inspection and Testing results ?
As you are the one signing the certificate, you are stating that all is to latest Regulations. Something to think about.
However, if my memory serves me correctly. Part P document states that a certified electrician should carry out the works and certify or the work should have a third party certificate by scheme member.

Certified by who? the Schemes?

 

[telectrix]

Really ? Is that through A JIB card or college certificates or the results of the Inspection and Testing results ?
As you are the one signing the certificate, you are stating that all is to latest Regulations. Something to think about.
However, if my memory serves me correctly. Part P document states that a certified electrician should carry out the works and certify or the work should have a third party certificate by scheme member.

you are correctin as much as regards ,say, a CU change or other notifiable works where the only works done are electrical. in the case of a new-build, extension etc., where building work is involved and building control are also involved anyway, it is up to the discretion of LABC to accept or not accept a non-scam member's certificate for the electrical work.

it's all a shambles anyway. why would they need to raise a building notice for £300 for just electrical work,when no building work is taking place.

 

[Pete999]

What exactly is the City and Guilds Qualification you currently hold Fitzy?

Well Fitzy?

 

[telectrix]

 

[sham]

Certified by who? the Schemes?

I have to double check, but it came across to me It had to be certified by a scheme member.

 

[sham]

 

[sham]