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Morning all,

I’ve had a ‘discussion’ with my local NIC rep about a particular scenario that I’d like others advice on please.
Property is TNS. There are two boards, one which does the house and a single switch fuse (BS1361) which feeds a 4mm SWA to garage/workshop. There are main protective bonds to the gas & water as expected from the MET. The 4mm terminated in a box with loads of flex out to lighting & power points in the garage (v. bad)

Customer requested that I rewire the garage with something more suitable and safe. I provided a 2way board with RCBO’s so that his lighting didn’t fail while using power tools and used plastic trunking. There is an incoming water pipe (plastic) which feeds the sink in the garage which then turns in to copper. I ran a 4mm G/Y from the board to the pipe (in the plastic trunking) to bond the copper pipe. NIC bloke said that should be 10mm as it’s a main protective bonding conductor. I said that if it was it should be run continuously from MET to that pipe but realistically that’s not really practical. As the pipe is plastic anyway there is no realistic prospect of there being different earth potential either like there could be if the garage water main was lead and the main install PME for instance. I chose 4mm as it matched the size of the line conductors.

Any thoughts on what’s correct?
 
If the incoming pipe is plastic it is unlikely to be extraneous,a test will confirm.Why did you consider it required bonding?
If it does require main bonding...(unlikely)...and it is TNS then the minimum size will be 6.0mm,not 10.0mm.
 
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Agree with wirepuller
 
Ditto post 2, but I would go for 10mm IMO
 
Wirepullers got to the nub. Test it. If greater than the prescribed limit then no bond required.

And agree with WP on tuther bit too
 
Don't forget to also test your plastic soil pipe from your toilets and drains, as they also enter your building from outside..
 
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all depends on the conductivity of sh!te.
 
Well, I think the suggestion was to test on the copper bit....but I think you knew that.

who's to say what else is going on there, I for one can't see it.

what WP has said is what you're supposed to do.

Maybe theres a branch of ....copper pipe later on that, well, maybe goes into the ground and makes the value betwixt MET and potential (or not) extraneous part, well, less than 22 thousand ohms.

just a thought. Can't see it. By the book is to test it whether the bit you refer to is plastic or not.

hope that makes sense.

more beer please.
 
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Well, I think the suggestion was to test on the copper bit....but I think you knew that.

who's to say what else is going on there, I for one can't see it.

what WP has said is what you're supposed to do.

Maybe theres a branch of ....copper pipe later on that, well, maybe goes into the ground and makes the value betwixt MET and potential (or not) extraneous part, well, less than 22 thousand ohms.

just a thought. Can't see it. By the book is to test it whether the bit you refer to is plastic or not.

hope that makes sense.

more beer please.

So to test the plastic pipe you would disconnect your copper part and then test to MET, which would then give you a reading of ?? Remember it's plastic!
 
So to test the plastic pipe you would disconnect your copper part and then test to MET, which would then give you a reading of ?? Remember it's plastic!

Er...yes,I meant a test should be on the copper section connected to the plastic section for those of a pendantic disposition. (if that makes sense).
Personally I'd do a visual 'test' to establish extraneousivity....(which doesnt make sense)

Mines a Guiness.
 
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I'm assuming that all that is extending this TN-S equipotential zone, is the steel wire armour of the 4mm SWA cable?? Which if is the case, makes it all a bit of a mockery to main bond in 6mm or 10mmcopper!!
Not that the copper pipe will probably need bonding anyway!! lol!!
 
Thanks all, the upshot is..... (a) everyone likes drinking (b) I was a bit silly thinking that a bond was required there (c) the NIC man hadn't thought it through either.
and no I wouldn't have ever bonded a plastic pipe!!!

Cheers all!
 
An update, went back to site today for something else and the plumber has been at work. The sink as been replaced with a stainless one and its attached to the concrete wall. I repeated a test between the boards earth and the sink and got 700ohms - I'm presuming one of the screws has got the rebar.

So I could put a 6mm conductor between the board and the pipe (which is bigger than the supply conductors) - however this isn't a main protective bonding conductor as its not continuous

The other option is suppose it to stick in an earth rod and go TT but that's a right PITA.

Any thoughts?
 
An update, went back to site today for something else and the plumber has been at work. The sink as been replaced with a stainless one and its attached to the concrete wall. I repeated a test between the boards earth and the sink and got 700ohms - I'm presuming one of the screws has got the rebar.

So I could put a 6mm conductor between the board and the pipe (which is bigger than the supply conductors) - however this isn't a main protective bonding conductor as its not continuous

The other option is suppose it to stick in an earth rod and go TT but that's a right PITA.

Any thoughts?


Just that I'm glad you did as WP suggested, and tested it, rather than just thinking its fine because you can see a bit of plastic. Nice one.
 
One reason why you ALWAYS test and never assume that copper pipework after a plastic incomer isn't carrying an extraneous earth potential... Just hook up a pipe clamp to the copper pipe section, you can bet your last pound, it'll be providing better protection than a typical UK TT system will!! lol!!
 
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One reason why you ALWAYS test and never assume that copper pipework after a plastic incomer isn't carrying an extraneous earth potential... Just hook up a pipe clamp to the copper pipe section, you can bet your last pound, it'll be providing better protection than a typical UK TT system will!! lol!!


Unless it was you that put the spikes in :)

Boydy
 

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