Good Old Delroy, he gets all the best Jobs :)

[goasis]

I get the impression that a lot of people slag off Del's work would not have the balls to post up their own work for all to scrutinise. Might be a touch of envy that Del charges 3 figures an hour while many of these guys do £25's if they are lucky...Just the way some come across like.
It is not confined to Del btw, I also note that almost every UK based youtube spark comes in for similar treatment lol, Artisan electrics even got slammed for being able to charge hundreds where others charge pennies lol.

Unfortunately, rightly or wrongly, if your putting your stuff up for public viewing, it's going to attract critique. I think I'm some cases it's constructive and justified, in others not.
I've learnt from the "youtube sparks", both what to do and what not to do.
Ps im.not jealous of good ol'Del
Pss I don't have the balls to put my work on youtube!! (Or the time, or the inclination)

 

[nicebutdim]

Unfortunately, rightly or wrongly, if your putting your stuff up for public viewing, it's going to attract critique. I think I'm some cases it's constructive and justified, in others not.

That's where my early interjections stemmed from - criticism for the sake of criticising. Given that this is an electrician's forum, it stands to reason that criticism should be warranted and explained for anyone who might happen upon this thread on a public forum. Youtube is a more appropriate platform for sniping and ranting.

Much of the criticism posted is indeed warranted but, as you rightly state, not all of it.

 

[Diddy]

Nothing to do with the money. It's the work I've seen in his videos that doesn't really impress me. I don't honestly think it is worth the premium amount being charged.

He is worth what people are willing to pay for his time as in any other thing in life. As I stated Artisan charges well above what Del does and still gets the customers with many happy to have their property filmed.
Although this is Del's thread it was more a general point that on here I find that people don't have much time for the youtube sparks and spend a lot of time pulling them apart for often not great reasons. Just my opinion of course.

 

[DPG]

He is worth what people are willing to pay for his time as in any other thing in life. As I stated Artisan charges well above what Del does and still gets the customers with many happy to have their property filmed.
Although this is Del's thread it was more a general point that on here I find that people don't have much time for the youtube sparks and spend a lot of time pulling them apart for often not great reasons. Just my opinion of course.

I like David Savery - he knows his stuff and is well worth watching. I have no problem giving credit where credit is due.

I get very little from Delroy's videos - he seems very unsure about some things, and his testing is very hit and miss.

 

[mainline]

I get the impression that a lot of people slag off Del's work would not have the balls to post up their own work for all to scrutinise. Might be a touch of envy that Del charges 3 figures an hour while many of these guys do £25's if they are lucky...Just the way some come across like.
It is not confined to Del btw, I also note that almost every UK based youtube spark comes in for similar treatment lol, Artisan electrics even got slammed for being able to charge hundreds where others charge pennies lol.

A lot of people slag off Del because he always leaves a lot to slag off about.

 

[nicebutdim]

Apparently so as we've had people join the forum for that very reason.

 

[mainline]

That's where my early interjections stemmed from - criticism for the sake of criticising. Given that this is an electrician's forum, it stands to reason that criticism should be warranted and explained for anyone who might happen upon this thread on a public forum. Youtube is a more appropriate platform for sniping and ranting.

Much of the criticism posted is indeed warranted but, as you rightly state, not all of it.

I think I posted before that YouTube sparks for the most part delete any criticism.

 

[nicebutdim]

I think I posted before that YouTube sparks for the most part delete any criticism.

We've been here before and I posted my thoughts on the matter at that time. Since then there appears to have been some effort at substantiating criticism, but my opinions are just opinions and not forum policy.

 

[Petej999]

A lot of people slag off Del because he always leaves a lot to slag off about.

True very true

 

[Dustydazzler]

BEAUTIFUL

 

[goasis]

BEAUTIFUL

Just when you thought that it had finally dawned on him an r1 r2 test might be a good idea.... no the test probes come out.....

 

[mainline]

Just when you thought that it had finally dawned on him an r1 r2 test might be a good idea.... no the test probes come out.....

£100 an hour for that rat's nest.

 

[Dustydazzler]

£100 an hour for that rat's nest.

Del is cheap for London

My old company based in SW London recently raised its hourly rate for domestic work to £175 per hour + vat

 

[mainline]

Del is cheap for London

My old company based in SW London recently raised its hourly rate for domestic work to £175 per hour + vat

£100 an hour is his cheapest rate after 4pm its £150 if you're in the congestion area its £150 an hour after 4pm its £200 + vat.

 

[Dustydazzler]

£100 an hour is his cheapest rate after 4pm its £150 if you're in the congestion area its £150 an hour after 4pm its £200.

Pretty much standard for central London these days

 

[mainline]

Pretty much standard for central London these days

Ahh, but that's for an electrician

 

[Mike Johnson]

Back when I first joined this Forum I got a lot of flack for saying my rate was £50.00/hr do you remember that guys?

 

[DPG]

Back when I first joined this Forum I got a lot of flack for saying my rate was £50.00/hr do you remember that guys?

To be fair that was 10 years ago!

 

[mainline]

Back when I first joined this Forum I got a lot of flack for saying my rate was £50.00/hr do you remember that guys?

Was that when petrol was 2 bob a gallon ?

 

[Mike Johnson]

To be fair that was 10 years ago!

Has the average wage doubled or even tripled since then?

 

[Dustydazzler]

Back when I first joined this Forum I got a lot of flack for saying my rate was £50.00/hr do you remember that guys?

£50-60 p/h was probably about the average sparky rate for London 10 years ago. Then you had companies like Pimilco start charging its plumbers and sparks out at £100 p/h / £120 p/h

If people keep paying it then companies will keep raising it

I have kept my rate at £80 per hour for 2 years , but an considering putting it up now as the cost of business has gone up , I am thinking £95 per hour

 

[littlespark]

And here’s me thinking putting mine up twice in a year was cheeky.
£30 to £35 to £40….

That’s a one man band, no VAT in the wasteland of the borders.

 

[mainline]

And here’s me thinking putting mine up twice in a year was cheeky.
£30 to £35 to £40….

That’s a one man band, no VAT in the wasteland of the borders.

Sounds very much like Cornwall.
They don't mind spending £200,000 on some machine, but have a fit when you say it's a few hundred to change a CU.

 

[mainline]

New one from Del Boy.

 

[Petej999]

Unfortunately, rightly or wrongly, if your putting your stuff up for public viewing, it's going to attract critique. I think I'm some cases it's constructive and justified, in others not.
I've learnt from the "youtube sparks", both what to do and what not to do.
Ps im.not jealous of good ol'Del
Pss I don't have the balls to put my work on youtube!! (Or the time, or the inclination)

Has anyone noticed how Del pauses about a min into his vids raises his eyebrows and looks out of r\the window for divine intervention? or is just me

 

[lozarus]

I've had to entirely unfollow him now. I
get berated for not being AM2 qualified. The latest efixx video basically confirmed that I'm not "a real electrician". And yet Dels latest video shows no understanding of gas interlock. But wait....I'm the unqualified/ inexperienced guy.

 

[Dustydazzler]

I've had to entirely unfollow him now. I
get berated for not being AM2 qualified. The latest efixx video basically confirmed that I'm not "a real electrician". And yet Dels latest video shows no understanding of gas interlock. But wait....I'm the unqualified/ inexperienced guy.

Del belongs to the NICEIC which means he is 'gold standard'

 

[Pretty Mouth]

I've had to entirely unfollow him now. I
get berated for not being AM2 qualified. The latest efixx video basically confirmed that I'm not "a real electrician". And yet Dels latest video shows no understanding of gas interlock. But wait....I'm the unqualified/ inexperienced guy.

efixx do some good videos, but don't take them too seriously when they talk about what qualifications you need in order to call yourself an electrician.

 

[lozarus]

efixx do some good videos, but don't take them too seriously when they talk about what qualifications you need in order to call yourself an electrician.

Yeah don't get me wrong. I really like the guys and have learned a tonne through them. The latest video just wound me up a bit - its worth remembering "electrician" isn't a protected term by law. You Don't need to have a gold card to be competent, which the last video seemed to suggest. But I largely enjoy their content. But the content I see from Del seems to consistently share standards that we on this forum would generally berate if they came from a DIY chap - but seem to be seen as acceptable to some because of his 'experience'.

 

[pc1966]

Del belongs to the NICEIC which means he is 'gold standard'

You mean like this?

 

[littlespark]

Yeah don't get me wrong. I really like the guys and have learned a tonne through them. The latest video just wound me up a bit - its worth remembering "electrician" isn't a protected term by law. You Don't need to have a gold card to be competent, which the last video seemed to suggest. But I largely enjoy their content. But the content I see from Del seems to consistently share standards that we on this forum would generally berate if they came from a DIY chap - but seem to be seen as acceptable to some because of his 'experience'.

lets say i've got "over 30 years experience" from becoming an apprentice aged 16..... Maybe i can blunder through jobs and film it... make a bit of cash

 

[lozarus]

lets say i've got "over 30 years experience" from becoming an apprentice aged 16..... Maybe i can blunder through jobs and film it... make a bit of cash

That's the thing though. You just can't categorise it. I manage a 63 year old ex-install electrician. He's just awful to be frank - won't use a wago - thinks they're flimsy. Bakelite screw junction box suspended in thin air for anything. Safe zones unheard of. My old man however is a Readers Digest special. No qualifications but when I PIR / EICR'd the house he rewired well before I was born (think early 70s) I just couldn't fault it. Fortunately my cousin-by-marriage is a trading spark - when he was relatively new to the famalam I had him do an EICR just I'm case I'd been biased. He couldn't fault it either. He's been married to my cousin for 6 years now and I keep asking if he lied on the report just to impress us. He maintains he didn't. Likewise I work with some fantastic fully qualified AM2 guys in their 60s who are fantastic. I also manage some unqualified entry short course guys who are passionate in the trade who produce fantastic work. I've forgotten my point (it's bank holiday so beers a flowin). But yeah. Peace to all - don't read into the tickets. A passionate guy or gal is all we need.

 

[Pretty Mouth]

Yeah don't get me wrong. I really like the guys and have learned a tonne through them. The latest video just wound me up a bit - its worth remembering "electrician" isn't a protected term by law. You Don't need to have a gold card to be competent, which the last video seemed to suggest. But I largely enjoy their content. But the content I see from Del seems to consistently share standards that we on this forum would generally berate if they came from a DIY chap - but seem to be seen as acceptable to some because of his 'experience'.

The efixx vid I'm thinking of is a year or so old, with Gary telling someone they weren't allowed to call themselves an electrician, as they hadn't got whatever qualification, and comparing electrical work to that of a surgeon or pilot. Sure, there's more to our work than meets the eye, and there are potential consequences if we get it wrong, but that's stretching the imagination a tad. The bulk of their content is good though.

 

[7029 dave]

I've had to entirely unfollow him now. I
get berated for not being AM2 qualified. The latest efixx video basically confirmed that I'm not "a real electrician". And yet Dels latest video shows no understanding of gas interlock. But wait....I'm the unqualified/ inexperienced guy.

I have never sat the AM2 why, because it was not even born when I qualified.
So I must be the unqualified /inexperienced too, BUT at least I have worked with MICC cables over the years jokes dont listen to anyone. lol

 

[Dustydazzler]

The efixx vid I'm thinking of is a year or so old, with Gary telling someone they weren't allowed to call themselves an electrician, as they hadn't got whatever qualification, and comparing electrical work to that of a surgeon or pilot. Sure, there's more to our work than meets the eye, and there are potential consequences if we get it wrong, but that's stretching the imagination a tad. The bulk of their content is good though.

Efixx are for ever pushing the 'qualification' rhetoric , and want sparks to be seen as the higher power when it comes to the trades. I kind of see what their agenda is , and in a way I buy in to it as they want sparks charging £250 per hour for rolls royce installs.
But the real world is full of Delroys and Chris the Plumbers , and that ain't changing any time soon...

 

[UNG]

I have never sat the AM2 why, because it was not even born when I qualified.
So I must be the unqualified /inexperienced too, BUT at least I have worked with MICC cables over the years jokes dont listen to anyone. lol

Same for me no AM2 and no NVQ 3 either but I have loads of MICC experience

I always remember an apprentice who worked for me in the late 90's failing his first attempt at the AM2 on the fault finding section with a lot of bravado he reckoned I would struggle and wouldn't be able to find it, so having been challenged I asked if he had the sheet with the diagram on and he brought the booklet in the following morning, took me all of 10 minutes to find the fault that he hadn't in 2½ hours

 

[westward10]

Nor me.

 

[Dustydazzler]

Is AM2 now the 'gold standard' for new sparks ?

Been 20 years since i was a college and back then it was 236 Pt2 , C and 2391 then you were fully qualled up

 

[nicebutdim]

I take it members who completed an apprenticeship many decades ago had to undertake some sort of exam or assessment? That's what the AM2 is - an independent assessment of ability, under exam conditions.

It makes sense that people entering the trade are assessed in this manner, but it's plain daft to suggest that someone who qualified prior to its introduction isn't an electrician - it's like suggesting that O levels are now redundant and that everyone who sat them now needs to sit GCSEs.

 

[westward10]

I take it members who completed an apprenticeship many decades ago had to undertake some sort of exam or assessment? That's what the AM2 is - an independent assessment of ability, under exam conditions.

It makes sense that people entering the trade are assessed in this manner, but it's plain daft to suggest that someone who qualified prior to its introduction isn't an electrician - it's like suggesting that O levels are now redundant and that everyone who sat them now needs to sit GCSEs.

No I just gave them a couple of bottles of Scotch, blagged through ever since.