New build part p ans being registered

[magnoliafan89]

Hi all

My in laws are having their new build wired bur the company are not part of anybody such as nic eic
They are on about self certifying their work and noy notifying building control....is this possible?
Or would building control need to come and have a look?

 

[JAWS]

Well Fitzy?

Pete his qualifications are here. Newbie to the forum, please be gentle..... - https://www.electriciansforums.co.uk/threads/newbie-to-the-forum-please-be-gentle.142549/

 

[Pete999]

Pete his qualifications are here. Newbie to the forum, please be gentle..... - https://www.electriciansforums.co.uk/threads/newbie-to-the-forum-please-be-gentle.142549/

His quals should be on his profile, he hashis own company "Fitzy the Sparky" so keeping his profile upto date shouldn't be a difficult task, it would save any misunderstanding and comments from the likes of me. Simple really.

 

[Octopus]

My in laws are having their new build wired bur the company are not part of anybody such as nic eic

They are on about self certifying their work and not notifying building control....is this possible?

Or would building control need to come and have a look?

You need to make sure that your in-laws are aware of the issues they will be facing getting:

A. A completion certificate

B. Answering all the questions as and when they want to sell the property.

Seeing as "A" is more pressing, then they need to deal with this issue NOW, and in writing with LABC ..................

Burying their heads in the sand / and or hoping this issue will go away are not options IMHO.

 

[Fitzy]

if it's a new biuild, the installer just needs to prove competence to LABC, usually by giving them a copy of his quals. then on completion give them a copy of the EIC.

So you don’t need to be a scheme member to work on new builds? Is that because the developer/builder would’ve notified the local building Control?

 

[Fitzy]

His quals should be on his profile, he hashis own company "Fitzy the Sparky" so keeping his profile upto date shouldn't be a difficult task, it would save any misunderstanding and comments from the likes of me. Simple really.

Fitzy The Sparky isn’t my company name.....

My post was just my opinion like everyone else’s opinion, but based on what I’ve read on here when you and other time served sparkies lay in to other posters when they don’t get building control involved etc “they’re probably not qualified or dont even know what they’re doing” etc.....

 

[Fitzy]

What exactly is the City and Guilds Qualification you currently hold Fitzy?

Part P (not scheme registered yet), initial inspecting testing & 17th edition amd 3. Whys that Pete999, gonna give me a bashing now as I’ve not done am apprenticeship?

 

[Midwest]

Fitzy The Sparky isn’t my company name.....

My post was just my opinion like everyone else’s opinion, but based on what I’ve read on here when you and other time served sparkies lay in to other posters when they don’t get building control involved etc “they’re probably not qualified or dont even know what they’re doing” etc.....

Fitzy does have a point there.

However, last month I was in a scheme, this month I'm not. Does that change my competency - no wise arsed remarks please

 

[Midwest]

Part P (not scheme registered yet), initial inspecting testing & 17th edition amd 3. Whys that Pete999, gonna give me a bashing now as I’ve not done am apprenticeship?

There is a bit of snobbery involved in some of this. I did an apprenticeship 45 years ago, and return to the industry 5 years ago, after a 30 year gap. I bet there's some of the Electrical Trainee, that had more knowledge than me, when I did return; experience thats subjective.

 

[Midwest]

You need to make sure that your in-laws are aware of the issues they will be facing getting:

A. A completion certificate

B. Answering all the questions as and when they want to sell the property.

Seeing as "A" is more pressing, then they need to deal with this issue NOW, and in writing with LABC ..................

Burying their heads in the sand / and or hoping this issue will go away are not options IMHO.

Just because this company is not in a scheme, doesn't necessarily mean they are not competent to carry out the work, supply the appropriate certification and supply a compliance certificate, as I alluded to in # 5.

If you binned Stroma tomorrow, would that make you incompetent as an electrician?

 

[Pete999]

Fitzy The Sparky isn’t my company name.....

My post was just my opinion like everyone else’s opinion, but based on what I’ve read on here when you and other time served sparkies lay in to other posters when they don’t get building control involved etc “they’re probably not qualified or dont even know what they’re doing” etc.....

Well that's what it says in your profile Fitzy.

 

[Pete999]

Part P (not scheme registered yet), initial inspecting testing & 17th edition amd 3. Whys that Pete999, gonna give me a bashing now as I’ve not done am apprenticeship?

No not at all

 

[Pete999]

Fitzy does have a point there.

However, last month I was in a scheme, this month I'm not. Does that change my competency - no wise arsed remarks please

No my point exactly

 

[telectrix]

 

[Midwest]

Arrh another musical interlude, wot about this;

PS its not very catchy

PPS JW what a very chic jacket

 

[Octopus]

Just because this company is not in a scheme, doesn't necessarily mean they are not competent to carry out the work, supply the appropriate certification and supply a compliance certificate, as I alluded to in # 5.

I never said the contractors weren't competent .......... I was simply pointing out that the In-Laws need to address this issue NOW ....rather than when they have paid all the bills and difficult questions are being asked .........

 

[Midwest]

I never said the contractors weren't competent .......... I was simply pointing out that the In-Laws need to address this issue NOW ....rather than when they have paid all the bills and difficult questions are being asked .........

Seems like they are paying for a company to build them a house, the electrics being done correctly seems a minor part of the concern.

 

[Midwest]

Just because this company is not in a scheme, doesn't necessarily mean they are not competent to carry out the work, supply the appropriate certification and supply a compliance certificate, as I alluded to in # 5.

If you binned Stroma tomorrow, would that make you incompetent as an electrician?

So ou rate my #46 as optimistic, what about my last sentence in my post #39?

 

[Midwest]

Well I'm sure it'll all come out in the wash

 

[pirate]

This a "new build", so I was wondering if it is:
a) a new house being built by an NHBC builder, which I suspect it's not as the OP wouldn't be getting the electrical works done by someone else?
b) a new house being built to the design or requirements of the owner, possibly a "kit" home being erected by a building company who are not NHBC registered? If this is the case, I would have thought there must be an architect involved, in order for a Certificate to be issued in place of the (useless) NHBC certificate, otherwise, without either of those (other versions are available) there would be difficulty on a resale within 10 years at least. So, assumng an architect is involved, I would have thought the best route is to get him/her to select the electrical contractor as he/she will have experience of working with some firms and know which ones will do the job correctly, and will get everything through Building Control. That way, the owners have a comeback if anything is amiss.
It may be tempting to use a cheaper option for the electrics, but I feel it is wiser to pay the right money for a safe job, and maybe spend a bit less on the shiny bits in the kitchen, bathrooms etc. Huge value when finished, a few hundred extra on electrics is a better route. Folks seem always to skimp on the unseen bits, the services, electrics and plumbing, yet these are the very heart and veins that power the dream home...

 

[Gavin John Hyde]

Around here if you are doing a new build you pay x amount based on square footage or value for the house to building control. If part of the new build involves electrics by a non scheme member then add £250 on to the other fees. This covers BC paying a spark to inspect. When BC hire another electrician they are in effect a temporary BC inspector and as such come under the councils statutory powers and need not be a scheme member themselves.
If you wanted to do notifiable electric work outside of the new build then its £492!!! In this area. The councils have clubbed together and work as a regional building control team instead of seperately.
I no longer hear of people regardless of qualifications or competence being able to notify direct to building control with a eic or eicr... those days are gone.
Happened this week to me with a moody cu install... wouldnt accept just an eicr even though im in a scheme. Have to do 'reinstall' eic then notify via scheme.
Its all about money...at £492 a pop at least half of that fee is straight in the councils bank as profit.

 

[Pete999]

Arrh another musical interlude, wot about this;

PS its not very catchy

PPS JW what a very chic jacket

Yes it is very nice, M and S is it JW

 

[Hoon]