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uksparks

Hi,

Ok carrying on from this thread, thought id start a new one with the photos, this is a full rewire and renovation of a grade 2 listed building...

http://www.electriciansforums.co.uk...trical-forum/92270-i-wont-name-shame-but.html

I went back today to have a look...

1. Consumer unit missing blanks, have now fitted them to make safe
2. Tangled mess inside CU
3. Live wires hanging out walls
4. On some of the lighting there's 2.5mm T&E used, what the hell this is about I don't know.
5. No smokes (full renorvation of property)
6. TC&E poking out ceiling and wall at stairs (presumably for smokes ?)
7. Majority of light switches upside down, so looks off when on
8. Numerous junction boxes with lots of wago's and connector block in, why??
9. Two bathrooms, both have extractor fans, neither have over run timer as switched straight off light despite specification for 15 min over run on both, no three pole isolator too as not used TC&E
10. Non IP rated / not suitable down lighters installed in bathroom
11. No bonding to water despite lead incomer and copper pipework
12. cables no in safe zones, also bunch of cables in wall right behind skirting board
13. Cable bends and radius issues in trunking
14. Poor fixing of trunking etc..
15. apparent ring circuit, 32A MCB, no continuity between L-L, N-N or E-E, this is the case on two apparent rings
16. Unlabled circuit at CU? Whats this i wonder
17. shower circuit just left hanging in bathroom with no isolator
18. exposed inner condutors (grey stripped back too far etc)

The list goes on and just generally a very poor standard of work too.

The lad, I will not name, he lives in Hinckley and is registered with Elecsa. I am just compiling a complaint for the customer to send to them, I did ring them and Ill be honest, they were quite concerned and wanted me to email photos over asap so.

You know, its just like things like the extactor fans, its going to be a pain in the --- now putting them right as its all been lime rendered.

Take a look at the certificate, its a joke and full of inaccuracies, i can spot a lot of the.

Call me picky, but this is work of a true cowboy.

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Ok so lets just see if they do appear to be rings, well certainly the one that's meant to be a ring....

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Ok let me try it at a socket, nothing on L-L and N-N, but look at E-E

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Nice bit of 2.5mm for the light switch...

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Nice IP rated lights for the bathroom, or NOT as it may be...

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Hmm, whats this, shall I lick it? A stray wire that's glowing, I did check and sure enough it had 230v on it.

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Some random cables, I wonder what these do?

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Some top quality workmanship here too...

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Ah so thats where the water bonding is, not connected!

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I do have more photos coming from the customer when the wiring was put in so you can see that side of it too.

But anyway here's the EIC etc, sorry about the quality, this is all the customer got from him

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Oh, the extension on the back is where the kitchen is going, the house was gutted when this was done and the electrician was informed it needed power and light etc, its two storey and got loads out there... There's no provision for this either.

I did speak with him and he said you need to take the power for the kitchen off the plug circuit...

So, comments please!
 
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that so called install is a load of dog dirt...

whats the meaning of him powering it up like that?

i`d be stripping all that crap out and starting again if it were me.....
 
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Ferk me rough as a badger's bum
 
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I can honestly say when i told the customer in the most kindest of ways, I did feel she was verging on crying. Everything is rendered in now and floors laid etc, it would cost thousands to redo it as its all be rendered inside. I said claim on his insurance if he has any.

I am about to connect the extension you see, but think ill just run some new circuits in as there's no way im going off the back of anything here.
 
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On the test sheet it says....earthing arrangements TNS.......other - PME......WTF?

hope its not PME the ZE is apparently 0.72 ohms
 
that install is crap.

how can anyone in there right mind mess up a ring on a new install?
 
I am about to connect the extension you see, but think ill just run some new circuits in as there's no way im going off the back of anything here.

I ALWAYS run my own circuits for loft conversions/extensions unless absolutely not possible, been bitten too many times, assuming people before me have done a proper job!
 
I said claim on his insurance if he has any.
If he's still an Elecsa member then he's recently had insurance, whether it's still in operation is another matter. I think that your customer needs proper legal advice as soon as possible.
Check the competent person register to see if this clown is still on it, if he is you'll be in with a shout at getting his insurance parasites to cough up.
Have you carried out a proper EICR on this or is the above the result of a bit of a poke around. If it's a poke around then an EICR is vital because a lawyer is going to want to see one.
You could find yourself being called as an expert witness.
Trading standards and LABC need to be involved too I'd say.
 
On the test sheet it says....earthing arrangements TNS.......other - PME......WTF?

hope its not PME the ZE is apparently 0.72 ohms

The Ze, well lets just say the 16mm earth went into the service head near to the neutral, I couldn't see how it was connected, but it sure looked like TN-C-S to me, not TNS.
 
If he's still an Elecsa member then he's recently had insurance, whether it's still in operation is another matter. I think that your customer needs proper legal advice as soon as possible.
Check the competent person register to see if this clown is still on it, if he is you'll be in with a shout at getting his insurance parasites to cough up.
Have you carried out a proper EICR on this or is the above the result of a bit of a poke around. If it's a poke around then an EICR is vital because a lawyer is going to want to see one.
You could find yourself being called as an expert witness.
Trading standards and LABC need to be involved too I'd say.

This was a free of charge poke around whilst working out what I needed to do for the extension, and yes he is still in business, he is early 20's and I rang Elecsa today to ask and they said yes still an active member submitting work this week just gone, plus i spoke to him yesterday anonymously being nice asking a few questions to help me.
 
This was a free of charge poke around whilst working out what I needed to do for the extension, and yes he is still in business, he is early 20's and I rang Elecsa today to ask and they said yes still an active member submitting work this week just gone, plus i spoke to him yesterday anonymously being nice asking a few questions to help me.
get it checked out properly....there may be stuff there that will require you to get permission to power down......
 
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get it checked out properly....there may be stuff there that will require you to get permission to power down......
I think some parts of it will have to be powered down as an emergency mate.

Why do people who obviously have not got a single clue attempt things that result in this.
 
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The customer is literally running out of money quicker than you can say it due to everything and I know this would be a huge set back. I do feel for them but they need it looked at. They are paying off rent on another house at nearly a grand a month whstvtgis is being done. I'll tell them that I think it needs further attention at a cost.

the OCPD is wrong if it's radials but then he claims they are rings... God knows eh, it would be a nightmare to get to the bottom of going in blind.
 

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