Oh dear, this is really quite shocking!

[uksparks]

I now have the interesting job of running in a new ring for the kitchen and radial for rest, plus a light circuit, I really don't know where to start. It's going to have to be taken around the outside I think, I can clip to wall, put 3mm steel capping over it then it's having 50mm of render so it will be hidden, where the heck I am meant to get 3mm from though I don't know.

 

[uksparks]

You might want to take his member number off the photo of the test certificate

Woops, missed that, I thought I'd done it all.

 

[Silly Sausage]

Ok so the customer has just sent me a few photos....

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And the cellar tanking is being butchered aswell!!!
See my first post.

 

[uksparks]

Ive removed his member number now, that was my fault, thought id done that!

 

[GLENNSPARK]

You might want to take his member number off the photo of the test certificate

what for?

 

[trev]

Ive removed his member number now, that was my fault, thought id done that!

Too late, I know what it is.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Ive removed his member number now, that was my fault, thought id done that!

look

if he dealt this fart of an install then he can just damn well reap the whirlwind....cant he..

 

[Dcf]

Tidy job that.

that kind of pish would bring a tear to a glass eye.
thats a rip out and start again job if ever I see one

 

[AndrewMgan1976]

what for?

at the end of the day it is traceable and all other personal details were removed.

yes we know this guy shouldn't do any more work until he re does his training.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

I don't think that's his fault, looks like it was put on after anyway, something to do with the lime render maybe, I don't know.

well if its SBR then he shouldn`t be drilling it......

if its platten then cutting out for boxes in it breaches it......

so its a no-win....

 

[GLENNSPARK]

at the end of the day it is traceable and all other personal details were removed.

yes we know this guy shouldn't do any more work until he re does his training.

what chuffin training?

 

[AndrewMgan1976]

what chuffin training?

good point, well made

 

[uksparks]

well if its SBR then he shouldn`t be drilling it......

if its platten then cutting out for boxes in it breaches it......

so its a no-win....

No idea, I tend to stick to electrics as I think I'm quite good at that. You know, his brother is a plumber, can you believe it, you would have thought he was the plumber, hang on a plumber would probably have done a better job of it.

 

[Gavin A]

The customer is literally running out of money quicker than you can say it due to everything and I know this would be a huge set back. I do feel for them but they need it looked at. They are paying off rent on another house at nearly a grand a month whstvtgis is being done. I'll tell them that I think it needs further attention at a cost.

the OCPD is wrong if it's radials but then he claims they are rings... God knows eh, it would be a nightmare to get to the bottom of going in blind.

this is a small claims court job, unless his insurance company will cough up for it voluntarily.

Could well be worth getting building control out to give an independent assessment of it, otherwise it will just end up being your word against his in court.

I'd also make sure elecsa know that rectifying this work will need to be charged to his insurance, it looks like half the walls are going to need ripping out to get the cables into safe zones, as well as bringing the new supply through to the extension.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

No idea, I tend to stick to electrics as I think I'm quite good at that. You know, his brother is a plumber, can you believe it, you would have thought he was the plumber, hang on a plumber would probably have done a better job of it.

so where does kev kitchen come into this?

 

[davesparks]

So we have established that it is a pile of dog mess, now what?

We all need you to kick up a stink over this, tell everyone about it and make a big deal out of it. Wrote to trading standards, the scams, mr Clive Betts MP, your local MP, whatever organisation it was she got the number from, the local rag, the red tops.

You never know, this might just be the straw that breaks the horses back and splits this whole part P mess wide open.

 

[uksparks]

Just looking at the certificate, there's so many bits missing and incorrect information, he clearly has no idea. A PFC that high is obviously too high for the breakers, so it didn't register with him there... PME or TNS? Which is it, he needs to know this else how can he possibly know if it complies?

It makes me cry.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

this is a small claims court job, unless his insurance company will cough up for it voluntarily.

Could well be worth getting building control out to give an independent assessment of it, otherwise it will just end up being your word against his in court.

I'd also make sure elecsa know that rectifying this work will need to be charged to his insurance, it looks like half the walls are going to need ripping out to get the cables into safe zones, as well as bringing the new supply through to the extension.

hmm.

tell you what:

i`ll just ask (off the record) on the elecsa stand tomorrow what they would do if say a situation like this was brought to their attention....

you can be sure i`ll be paying close attention to the answers they provide.....i`ll report back what they say tomorrow evening...

 

[uksparks]

So we have established that it is a pile of dog mess, now what?

We all need you to kick up a stink over this, tell everyone about it and make a big deal out of it. Wrote to trading standards, the scams, mr Clive Betts MP, your local MP, whatever organisation it was she got the number from, the local rag, the red tops.

You never know, this might just be the straw that breaks the horses back and splits this whole part P mess wide open.

Ive seen some pigs ears, but never seen something so bodied that warrants a complaint, I need to sit and think what to write to be honest.

 

[Geordie Spark]

I think Glenn is right, it'll probably work out cheaper in the long run

You're just after the gig helping him with it.

 

[Gavin A]

hmm.

tell you what:

i`ll just ask (off the record) on the elecsa stand tomorrow what they would do if say a situation like this was brought to their attention....

you can be sure i`ll be paying close attention to the answers they provide.....i`ll report back what they say tomorrow evening...

take the pictures with you, along with copies of the test certs and his membership number.

 

[uksparks]

hmm.

tell you what:

i`ll just ask (off the record) on the elecsa stand tomorrow what they would do if say a situation like this was brought to their attention....

you can be sure i`ll be paying close attention to the answers they provide.....i`ll report back what they say tomorrow evening...

Send them in the direction of this thread, it will make interesting reading for them.

 

[jaypp]

I don't think that's his fault, looks like it was put on after anyway, something to do with the lime render maybe, I don't know.

In one of the pics it's capped on top. It should have been studded out using the designated fixing points. The builder should have known that too. I think this is a case of employing 'cheap' contractors who are chancers. Always costs more to put right

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Send them in the direction of this thread, it will make interesting reading for them.

OK....

that`l do for me....i`ll do that...but i will still be asking them what they would do about it.....and be rest assured i will get some answers out of em...

 

[uksparks]

Actually I should jut email them a link to this thread to save me re writing it and making comments.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

take the pictures with you, along with copies of the test certs and his membership number.

yep....

 

[Jdsparky]

This guy hasn't a clue what he's doing and needs to find another career IMO,he can make 50 k a year at something else

 

[GLENNSPARK]

This guy hasn't a clue what he's doing and needs to find another career IMO,he can make 50 k a year at something else

i`m not being funny but those that carry out `install` to this sort of standard need taking out of circulation....for their own good as well as that of the unsuspecting public.....their dangerous, their everywhere and their a liability...

 

[Jdsparky]

Yeah but he might make a good surgeon or something you never know...there's hope for him yet with complex wiring methods like these

 

[Silly Sausage]

In the meantime, stop paying these leeches £100£100£100£100£100£100s each year.


Find another way; as it stands, the current system doesn't work. You're just being made a mockery of!

 

[uksparks]

I'm sure he is a nice lad and when I spoke to him he sounded nice etc, but unfortunately this electrical work is substandard.

 

[ayjay]

name and shame

 

[tomspark93]

I can't believe what I'm seeing...well I can actually it happens way too often! He could have at least used rubber grommets tight git.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

I'm sure he is a nice lad and when I spoke to him he sounded nice etc, but unfortunately this electrical work is substandard.

well just `being nice` isn`t enough in my world mate......

being `nice` gets you work sure enough....but you have to be able to carry out the work to completion in a compliant manner.....

not whats been going on here really....is it..

 

[GLENNSPARK]

I can't believe what I'm seeing...well I can actually it happens way too often! He could have at least used rubber grommets tight git.

be afraid....be very afraid...

 

[jaypp]

well just `being nice` isn`t enough in my world mate......

being `nice` gets you work sure enough....but you have to be able to carry out the work to completion in a compliant manner.....

not whats been going on here really....is it..

Also, nice people usually have a conscience.

 

[uksparks]

True, you have a point.

 

[jaypp]

Feel for the client, we've all had to learn the hard way and been out of pocket with things in life. I remember being young and naive in London Town and falling for a con. Got a worthless carriage clock for £20. My own stupidity thinking that in the bin liner I 'couldn't look in' till later, would be one of the expensive gadgets I'd seen someone get earlier!
Hope all's well with new addition bud.

 

[Engineer54]

Can't be arsed to read all the posts, the first and last pages are enough!! Obviously one of our 17 day/Electrical Trainee jokers at work. If he's not, then he needs taking out of circulation just as quick, if not quicker!!

All just goes to show, just how safety conscious the Part Pee providers are!! They can beat their new safety drum as much as they like, they are themselves responsible for the vast majority of sub standard domestic work that's being carried in the UK, ...End Of!!

A Competent DI, ...My Arse!!

 

[Richard Burns]

This work is a breach of the building regulations and therefore an offence under the Building Act.
This should be enforced by the local authority, although possibly the HSE may be prepared to take an interest.
Putting people at risk by undertaking such a low standard of dangerous work is something that should be addressed.
The HSE can cover work undertaken by self employed persons, although they may refer it to the local authority.

Hmm, I seem to be quite annoyed here.

I hope the customer does get some suitable resolution.
Sorry that you have been put in the middle of this one UKS, hope it goes well for you.