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I have spoken to three companies today in my region (East Anglia) about trying to get a labourers/ mates job to gain some site experience. I explained my situation (hopefully going to college in sept 3 days a week) and

Two of the companies were very kind and told me they would contact me if something came up. The director of the third company has told me that he does not take on labourers without their 17th.

is it possible to obtain my 17th without any site experience? a college near me runs the 17th (2383) in the evenings.

do you think it will make me more employable as a labourer with the eventual goal of enrolling at college to do my nvq l2 and l3?

what advice could you give me to find some relevant site work?

cheers for the help

Sam
 
Are you going to pay the £450.00 for him to do the 17th edition then?

I'll pay for the OP's example only under the condition that he and I can sit in a quiet room for 1 hour before the exam so I can explain how to read a book and pass the exam. Deal?

it's very easy to pass as long as you've got the money in the Bank just like all of the other tickets, so you might be able to easily do it, but if you're currently skint then you're Knackered aren't you???

See above for the OP's 17th. As for other tickets he will have to do what I did and many others on here (including yourself by the sound of it) and do crappy jobs to make the money to then make something of yourself, its not aesy and there is no fast track in getting where you deserve to be. Always pushing myself to become better, that is an electrician talking and not a plumber.


sorry bud, no tickets no job......... Yes you can, its just hard to find and not worth doing. Dont go down the "employed by a cowboy company" route.

no job, no savings........no savings no money......no money, no courses/tickets........no tickets no job sorry....That's how it is in the real world..... Keep working in whatever you can earn money from and invest it into your education. It will pay you back from all the hard times you went through to get there.

what about the young sparks and the labourers and trades mates trying to get tickets and with maybe a wife and kids, a car to keep running, living miles from Colleges out in the sticks? they would have to go to a College maybe for a number of days, possibly spread out over weeks and months just to get tickets/training.....then go back at night for exams on different dates spread out....that's Digs to pay for as well, food, petrol or Bus/Train tickets...

I dont live in the sticks so I can only assume the personal and financial costs involved. as for the rest..... Seems like you are having a pop at me and my personal opinions of how a grading system should be. Here is my end of the stick (the sh1ty end)....

17-21 electrical laborer on rubbish wages. Went into other fields of employment for the money, bought a house just making ends meet. My mum passed away therefore leaving me with my 74 year old Dad with cancer and in a wheelchair and I became his full time carer. Needed a job to fit within his times of daily needs so I became a night shift taxi driver in a large city center (that was an experience I tell you). Whilst doing all this I signed up to college and paid for it all myself + mortgage + bills + living costs so I know how hard it can be. Then while doing my 2330 level 3 my Brother passed away 4 and a half weeks before my Dad. I had two estates and funerals to sort out just before going into my level 3 final exams. I had to do and pay for 3 re-sits due to the time I missed at school but I passed and afterwards I still revised the things I missed just so I know the subjects that I was not strong at. It has taken a lot of time and effort to get to where I am now and I'm not finished yet.



A lot of sparks just starting out or labourers trying to gain tickets/certificates only have dust in their wallet......we need to lay off of them it's bad enough for them these days without people saying.... I'm not laying into anyone, just ask anyone in the trainee section of this forum which I've spent a lot of time in. Also before that, ask the several people that are in training on this forum about the help, tools and books I have given them? I've even taken a few of them on site with me for experience or to help with their portfolio for their NVQ!


"I have money I do tickets, you should have the tickets too, otherwise you're useless" or similar things... Think I've made my stance very clear


My reply in red so everyone can see it, I've got nothing to hide. If you want to be an ELECTRICIAN then do it, get on with it and become an ELECTRICIAN. It may take a bit longer than what you wanted but you will get there.

Paul M.
 
This is kinda annoying to be honest as the only ppl who need the 17th Editon are Company directors, and main office staff for a company to run, and most Gaffers will tell you this, the 17th edition cert makes sure that you can read the BGB correctly, which a Gaffer is suppose to do and he is suppose to guide us in the correct manner with all the updates.

I also have the 17th Edition, for the record as jobs today require it to get the best qualified, shame its not for the real purposes.

Same as scaffold and other stuff certs the companies should be paying for me to have it for the job but guess what its all the same.... LMAO grumpy mode out.

Good luck with the exam and it does all help been better educated than a Gaffer you might be there boss one day..its all that easy in our game....
 
is it possible to obtain my 17th without any site experience? a college near me runs the 17th (2383) in the evenings.

Sam

Open invite for you Sam. You find a local college that does the 17th ed exam only and I will pay for it under the condition that I can spend an hour with you before you go into the exam.

This is an open offer to you on the open forum and my forum reputation is on the line if I dont keep up my end of the deal. Btw I am a man of my word and if you want your 17th ed send me a pm with your phone number and we will get this qualification together so you can get into employment.

A lot of people on here know me personally and will say I'm a up front type of guy. You have nothing to worry about with me. Just ask any of the mods, Arms members or the regular members.

The offer is there for you Sam.

Paul M.
 
Open invite for you Sam. You find a local college that does the 17th ed exam only and I will pay for it under the condition that I can spend an hour with you before you go into the exam.

This is an open offer to you on the open forum and my forum reputation is on the line if I dont keep up my end of the deal. Btw I am a man of my word and if you want your 17th ed send me a pm with your phone number and we will get this qualification together so you can get into employment.

A lot of people on here know me personally and will say I'm a up front type of guy. You have nothing to worry about with me. Just ask any of the mods, Arms members or the regular members.

The offer is there for you Sam.

Paul M.

I will have it if he doesn't haha
 
I took my 17th 'exam only', a couple of years ago.
I first phoned the City and Guilds in order to find somewhere that would allow me to just do the exam.
They weren't much help, but didn'nt in anyway suggest that the practice was frowned upon.
I eventually ended up taking it at Havering College, for £30.
Cheaper than the ECS test, and lasts a lot longer.

Oh yes, it was the 2 hour exam as well.
 
i went for a interview today with a agency for a sparks mate job and when i got there they asked me if i had any quals i told them i had my peo lv2 elec engineering and c & g 2330 level 2 and that i was in my second year at college on the new 2357 course and then he said i needed the 17th edition qual, asbestos awerness ticket and confined spaces ticket which i havnt got so i did not get the job but they wanted all this andwas only paying £6.19 hr i think this i really bad



and the confined spaces ticket is £700.00 odd........they must think they're being funny......sorry you wasted time and money traveling to that agency.....


I think we need to contact a load of head offices and let them know that they just can't have confined spaces tickets and first aid certificates from every spark no matter what nonsense the agencies feed them to try and promote their USP's (Unique Selling Points)and that's why they can't get a lot of us onto site....


I may visit a few and write to some more...
 
Is it domestic work or industrial?

If its domestic - they probably won't take you on as you'd need to know a few basics before going in to wire houses. There's not enough 'labouring' work around sparks in a house. You'd be doing a sparks job and getting paid a mates wage if you know anything about wiring houses.

if its industrial, you will be cable pulling, cutting strut, instating conduit,ladder nd tray etc. you'd be more likely to get on one of these sites without any knowledge than into a house.

atleast with going on industrial site, you can watch a learn and times and pick it up as you go along, but with housing, it's all about speed and money. They arnt going to pay you minimum wage (yes!!) to stand around a learn. You may as well ask them for an apprenticeship if you want to do that.




this is coming from someone who 12 months ago was in the same boat as you.... And has been through all the above in 12 months. My 2 pence worth... Get into industrial. Better money, make more contacts, BETTER LAUGH!
 
What's your thoughts on employing labourers and SMAs instead of sparks?
Laborers should only need cscs site inoperative card.

Mate needs the above and 17th min. Maybe Level 2.

Improver should have (imho) the above + level 3, (maybe AM2 OR NVQ3).

Electrician should have the above plus 2391 (aka 2394, 2395), AM2 OR NVQ3 and a reasonable amount of time on the tools to use these quals.



Obtaining a job these days are hard because all of the employers and agencies are asking for more quals from people to whittle out the chaff and get a better workforce in these difficult times. They are wanting more for their money basically.

To the OP, get your 17th and more doors will open for you, that is just how the real world works I'm afraid. Its not that hard to pass imho, invest into your future and put your wallet and mind at work to gain you work. After that get all the other tickets you need to make an income.
 
Oh and funnily enough, my tutor last night advised people about taking their 17th edition before finishing level 3 2330.

reason: you won't have a clue about what the tutors talking about on some parts without experience on the job or 2330lvl 2+3


So I'd just get ur backside into college like the rest of us and do it all properly and formerly :D
 
Oh and funnily enough, my tutor last night advised people about taking their 17th edition before finishing level 3 2330.

reason: you won't have a clue about what the tutors talking about on some parts without experience on the job or 2330lvl 2+3


So I'd just get ur backside into college like the rest of us and do it all properly and formerly :D

yeah my tutor said similar, the college i am at don't even off the 17th edition to people who have not got there full technical certificate my tutor said "just finish your course then when you have only the nvq to finish go and do the 17th edition"
 
I know of a lot of sparks without the 17th edition and to expect a labourer to have obtained this is taking the pi@@, at the least, they should class you as with the 17th edition, is a senior adult trainee IMO, there are no such things in this game as "electricians mates" that was the 1950-60 my friend. Anyone can sit the 17th edition C&G exam you do not have to be an electrician to take the open book multiple choice.
bloody hell no!!
third year at college...then yes
online guess...no
 
Update. Sam and I have had a good conversation today and he is looking into finding a college that does the exam only which I will pay for. He is signing on at the moment so I have advised him to ask the job center to put him on his 17th and cscs course. If he can get onto these free of charge, I have told him I will buy him the BGB. Cant say fairer than that.
 
Update. Sam and I have had a good conversation today and he is looking into finding a college that does the exam only which I will pay for. He is signing on at the moment so I have advised him to ask the job center to put him on his 17th and cscs course. If he can get onto these free of charge, I have told him I will buy him the BGB. Cant say fairer than that***(mine).

You Dude, are one hell of a guy! Now, about my split screen Beetle...... :grin:

Seriously, I know its a bit out of date but I have a pristine copy of exam success 2391-10 if that's of use.

Totally off topic. Anyone else having the issue with the OSG's green cover going white, meanwhile there's green fingerprints inside this tome of knowledge/carp?

*** Is Sam on basic jsa (Heh!, Sam can speak/type himself, should ask him not you!!)? I know if your on Long term (6mths+) jsa/Incapacity and/or Disability they'll throw everything at you.
 
Paul, that's extremely generous of you and Sam, I wish you luck in your chosen career. Many people scoff at a lot of C&G's, but to me, learning is learning and the day I stop learning is that day I give it all up; be it electrics or my other hobby, motorcycling :cool4:. Elmer, my OSG is also losing its' green onto my fingers...
 
Lads i cant get over the generosity thats been shown to me by paul and others on this site.

I will be calling the job center tomorrow to get the ball rolling on getting my cscs or ecs card as well as my 17th.

Im on basic jsa i think havnt been signed on for 6 months yet.

All the best sam
Paul, that's extremely generous of you and Sam, I wish you luck in your chosen career. Many people scoff at a lot of C&G's, but to me, learning is learning and the day I stop learning is that day I give it all up; be it electrics or my other hobby, motorcycling :cool4:. Elmer, my OSG is also losing its' green onto my fingers...
 
Lads i cant get over the generosity thats been shown to me by paul and others on this site.

You have chosen a path, "we" have helped you to see the correct way, now its down to you to walk the hard road to become an Electrician. We have all done it in one way or another, now its your turn.

Good luck Sam from the members that are giving you support.
 

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