Leaving niceic

[sedgy34]

So I've broken a rule with NICEIC and they are terminating my enrolment
im now looking to join one of the others who you with and how do you get on with them do they make up there own rules like Nic if so don't reccomend them.
Cheers

 

[Paul.M]

Sedgy what rule did you break? Biscuits was'nt good enough on your last assesment lol.

 

[johnboy6083]

What naughty thing did you do?

 

[Octopus]

So I've broken a rule with NICEIC and they are terminating my enrolment
im now looking to join one of the others who you with and how do you get on with them do they make up there own rules like Nic if so don't reccomend them.
Cheers

I find this astonishing, what HAVE you done?

 

[DurhamSparky]

Elecsa... backed up by the ECA and are very helpful and bend over backwards at times..!

i have friends with Napit as well but from what i heard they are trying to "fill the NIC's boots" and there brand is based on the NIC model...!

stroma and the rest are just TOO small at the min..!

 

[Amp David]

Elecsa are also cheaper and you don't have to pay extra for the warranty on each notification, its down to the customer.

 

[Mark_Burgess]

I cant believe they have done this, do you say a word like Elecsa in their earshot?

 

[sedgy34]

Here's the story, I got taken for 40k by a builder (I now subscribe to Cleanex tissues) it's been a struggle to say the least after that, I was a sole trader not ltd company my book keeper at the time was saying a sole trader turning over 200k is brill any way. After this I sat down with accountant and went ltd bit late I know! So I email Nic of this change and I had to open new accounts with wholesalers etc.
i had my assessment a few months back and as normal everything is fine the assessor emailed HQ of me now gone ltd and they say I broke there rule which is rule 18(2)(b). I called them up and told them I emailed them the change and they said I need to fill in there forms and pay £60 to check with company house I said my accountant will give you all relevant info from company house that will save me the £60 you want as I'm in financial difficulty, they said can't do that we need to do it ourselves, I said so its about the money yet again? They said no it isn't but we have to do te checks and issue a new enrolment certificate cause of change in legal name. I said look I employ you you don't employ me and I'm not paying £60 for you money grabbing gits to put 3letters ltd on your records and what help did I get from you people when I lost that dough. So after a bit on the phone they said we will send the forms for you to fill in which I filled in cause I'm thinking if I leave now I've got to pay another scam as Nic say they won't refund my fee, so I emailed them back and cause I didn't send them recorded delivery I've had a letter from them saying they are removing my enterprise from the enrolment.
Just to reiterate the workmanship side of things are as usual HIGH standards.
Your comments please lol

 

[Knobhead]

Come on segdy, spill the beans. What you did you do.

Too late!

 

[sedgy34]

Sedgy what rule did you break? Biscuits was'nt good enough on your last assesment lol.

I never offered biscuits as they have enough money out of me, he would use the downstairs loo instead of the posh one upstairs lol

 

[johnboy6083]

Sounds like they're hot on the money side of things, but as for their members producing work to an appalling standard, they don't care about that.

 

[Octopus]

So admin and money comes before workmanship and safety.

NICEIC you are PANTS (if this is correct) - lets hear your side

 

[johnboy6083]

I would be very interested to see how many contractors have been booted off their approved list, compared with how many contractors have had complaints regarding bad workmanship.

 

[sedgy34]

So admin and money comes before workmanship and safety.

NICEIC you are PANTS (if this is correct) - lets here your side

I even notified them of a solar job another company did which was awful an they left it not working they claimed to be Niceic , I went and re did the work as I'm also mcs and the Nic didn't do anything about the other company

 

[oldtimer]

Tail wagging the dog maybe ???

The thing is that they take the attitude that you need them more than they need you so they have called you bluff and yes you are right you are their customer but they are not and will never get this also it does not help that big companies or Local Authorities spec NICEIC membership so if you are not happy then move funny thing is they would not have chucked you out for bad workmanship but purely on money so to me it only confirms that they are sales orientated never mind standards.

Also How did you get into a £40k hole ? did you not have some sort of phased payment system ?

 

[Darkwood]

NIC is and always will be a money driven business, i seen countless NIC members signing of poor installs and some potentially lethal at that and when you report them nothing is really done about it, its not in their interest to boot out members because of poor workmanship or even bother to chase up any complaints, ive even gone to clark of electrical works when a recent school job was done by a NICEIC member where they fused a submains supply on the Neutral - the sign off was only months old and the Clark of Works admittedly said that he cant do anything about it and reporting it in his experience wouldn't see any positive feedback or actions against said company.
I since worked out why the clark of works couldn't bring his own actions against the company because the job was done under his watch and clearly he would leave himself open for critisism as he was over-seeing all works done.
That aside it is still the case that for the NICEIC to actually benefit the trade and be a true symbol of professional workmanship it will need to be goverment run with a non-profit system in place, that way members will get true recognition of their competence as those in breach will be stuck off.
Although im pointing at the NICEIC this system applies to all bodies that run a profit marking schemes as losing members means less profit which is a big conflict when it comes to what exactly the bodies stand for.

 

[baldelectrician]

I left the NIC 5 years ago.
I stood upto them (on an earthing issue they incorrectly identified), I had photos and a letter from Scottish Power that backed up my side but they insisted on coming to see job again. This didn't happen as the customer didn't want them back in her house.
Next they said I would fail- so I said. Don't renew my enrolment as I don't need 2 enrolments (SELECT and NIC both at time)

They still tried to rake the direct debit and chase up for money

The NICIEC don't write the regs- they just think they do

 

[oldtimer]

So why do we need this extra layer of what is meant to be the guardian of our trade who are only in it for themselves remember Lord Levisons enquiry into the press people were saying there should be a law to stop the media tapping phones but the thing is THERE is a law already Levison is their because the medias Scheme providor ie the Press Complaints Commission was not fit for purpose because they could not and would not bring the media in line with the law. now look at us and we are in the same boat ie we have the laws and regulations so why do we need the Scheme providor putting their tuppance in with in my opinion have a massive conflict of interests by assessing an individual then selling them the courses to keep them in a revenue stream . They dont need a Chinese wall we need a licence system and they need to get back to doing what they do best working to improve safety and training

 

[Darkwood]

You invent a body that is not needed
You pay off the big national companies to seek workers who are members of your body
You throw millions into advertising
Sit back and let your company grow
When its large enough you now have a strong shoulder to push the industry into a direction that may see profit margins increase
The stronger you get the less chance you can get knocked back and eventually you start rewriting the very laws you were originally there to protect
When you are a national recognised company then money talks and corruption whether minor or grandscale becomes more and more invitable and like oldtimer mentioned when it came to the media one group became so large it was able to have the very laws that got in its way changed by applying the right pressure to the right people and 3 goverments to finally bring it crashing down but after a lot of damage was already done.

 

[sedgy34]

Tail wagging the dog maybe ???

The thing is that they take the attitude that you need them more than they need you so they have called you bluff and yes you are right you are their customer but they are not and will never get this also it does not help that big companies or Local Authorities spec NICEIC membership so if you are not happy then move funny thing is they would not have chucked you out for bad workmanship but purely on money so to me it only confirms that they are sales orientated never mind standards.

Also How did you get into a £40k hole ? did you not have some sort of phased payment system ?

we were getting payments which were late,We did a couple of new builds and 2nd fixed 12 apartments the invoices were for 32k but the company owed 8 also in retention from other works previously done so thats how the figure got to how it did. and then the inevitible happened.i think the banks reduced there facilitys causing it. But having said that you cant run a business on bank money constantly,