UK Legal Details - Sockets - Where is the requirement for separate socket earths to be linked?

[wilmer000]

do you mean that there's no manufacturers link between the 2 earth terminals? have you metered across them?

It's two entirely separate terminations, one hole on the back for each earth wire.

 

[i=p/u]

Haven't done floor boxes in a while

 

[wilmer000]

Trainee question, get to the right aisle.. pg 86 osg might explain something

DIY, sorry. wanted to ask the pros if it was allowed, and if so, how to deal with the installation

 

[Strima]

Who manufactured it?

Looks like a Poundland special.

 

[i=p/u]

Well just get the bits do a few flips with wire and join her up.
What ya asking now , what you want to deal with

In normal circumstances they are joined together, and if equipment with leakage current I.e computersx3+ is plugged in , then wire in and out of the terminals

 

[wilmer000]

No, I think you have misunderstood.

Can you post a photo of the rear of your socket.

Yes of course.

 

[i=p/u]

Size of protective conductor is another question

 

[wilmer000]

Size of protective conductor is another question

 

[Strima]

Any manufacturers information?

 

[i=p/u]

says minimum 1.5mm for sockets?

 

[wilmer000]

Any manufacturers information?

Yes but I blanked it out. Don't want to draw attention to a supplier if there's nothing wrong with it. This is the internet and everyone gets in trouble for everything these days... All the ratings info i left on the photo. My feeling is that it's a legal arrangement per BS 1363 and the plug and socket regs, but might be a tricky install for a DIYer who doesn't realise they have to link the two sides? But then my knowledge is limited so any help greatly appreciated...

 

[Strima]

Yes but I blanked it out. Don't want to draw attention to a supplier if there's nothing wrong with it. This is the internet and everyone gets in trouble for everything these days... All the ratings info i left on the photo. My feeling is that it's a legal arrangement per BS 1363 and the plug and socket regs, but might be a tricky install for a DIYer who doesn't realise they have to link the two sides? But then my knowledge is limited so any help greatly appreciated...

Ideally we would need to know as this can be potentially dangerous. Even one of these installed on a ring final circuit will break the continuity of the CPC. This would be identified when dead testing is carried out but how many DIYers do this?

Product identification is not a problem as you're asking a genuine question.

 

[DPG]

I see it's a wifi socket. I suspect this is a cheap Chinese special - am I correct?

You need to give us some more info.

 

[Pete999]

DIY, sorry. wanted to ask the pros if it was allowed, and if so, how to deal with the installation

Have you bothered to read the OSG details I provided?

 

[snowhead]

I'll just leave this here from Azamon £27.43

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And heres a cheaper version

Amazon.co.uk

Yet another name, same socket but even cheaper

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Woox-Smart-Wall-Socket-Ports/dp/B07N7WJL5M/ref=sr_1_15?dchild=1&keywords=smart+wifi+double+wall+socket&qid=1615837481&sr=8-15

 

[Timbo]

"Supports maximum power of 13A"

 

[snowhead]

Not just Azamon everyone sells them even CFE

13A 2 Gang Smart Wi-Fi Socket with USB

Control of appliances remotely

www.cef.co.uk

 

[DPG]

Well found Snowhead!!

So as I thought, a cheap item which probably barely meets any safety requirements. And the manufacturer themselves probably don't even know whether the 2 earth terminals should be continuous!!

 

[Steve T]

Not just Azamon everyone sells them even CFE

13A 2 Gang Smart Wi-Fi Socket with USB

Control of appliances remotely

www.cef.co.uk

Is ENER-J not a decent brand though? I've used one of their wireless switches (bought from denmans) which seemed to be good quality.

 

[Strima]

I've ordered the cheaper one, lets have a look tomorrow.

Edit: I also forgot to say on my earlier post, if one of these was installed at the start of a radial circuit the other accessories would be left with no earth.

Also a metal backbox would not be earthed as it appears to have no earth contact with the fixing screws.