Napit

[MDJ]

Following on from Kate's comments about the minor works issue a few days back I thought I would invite your comments about the following, On Friday (yesterday) I had my annual (yearly) Inspection, Now I am an approved contractor not a domestic installer, however due to the minor works form discussion thread I asked my inspector who I like a lot and who IMO is very knowledgeable about the situation regarding part P and Napit etc, he said that Napit have tried to join the electrical safety register recently to join with the NICEIC and Elecsca but have been refused entry due to the fact they cannot guarantee annual inspections to electrical installation work to their members, he told me of one instance where it has been 4 years for one member since they were last inspected, at the meeting Napit were asked to comment about this and said nothing, they were basically ducking for cover, two things come to my mind, (1) if your a cowboy and don't want annual inspections join Napit, and (2) if you pay the annual fee, then can you take them to court for not giving you anything for your money? oh there is a (3) you accept it and don't care, discuss haha (MDJ HAS TIN HAT ON)

 

[telectrix]

of the three, nic, elecsa and napit, elecsa seem to be the only one that doesn't think it's god and owns the industry. niceic seem to want to rewrite the BS7671, while napit just want your hard-earned, and make up their own rules.

 

[MDJ]

Have to agree again with you Tel, the only thing I could say is shockingly the NICEIC inspector who looks at my business was very flattering about elecsa and talked almost as if the 2 of them were now one scammer? weird? However he slated Napit

 

[Spudnik]

Ive been with Elecsa from day one and never, ever had a problem with them, either way.

Yes, its a yearly cost, but, if i want to get on, its something i have to do.

Now that the ESR is online, this can only help improve our chances of 'publicity" with the industry.

Interestingly, i was skim reading connections mag, and i was wondering how Napit will fit in, and indeed, if they will last?

 

[trev]

Well my prediction is that the eca/elecsa are going to merge with nic and use their combined muscle to put all the other players out of the game.

 

[DaveyD]

Third year with Napit, just booked my third inspection. What's the problem?

 

[gazzamikes]

I was told napit a 'private' scammer as such and due to being refused entry and due to other factors there is a court case beginning against napit which will leave them without the self certification scheme. This was what I was told at Xmas by assessor. His biggest issue with them was their own rule making

 

[brucelee]

In the connections Magazine it says for now that Elecsa and NIC registered enterprises will still be assessed by there own scheme for the next few years

WHAT then

I joined ELECSA as they were the most friendly and helpful when first contacting unlike the NIC whose idea of advice or help was pay the fee and fill in the form lol

but if ELECSA are now basically becoming one entity along with NIC under the certsure then not sure if I want to stay with them and be dictated to by the NIC who I had no intention of joining

They reckon the part P reveiw was to make it easier for us , less cost and burden
suppose they mean by having no work as every Joker can do there own as most jobs not notifiable anymore and the ones that are will be able to be signed of by some 3rd party certifier

I think basicaly if we all stopped paying the fees or joining there scams whats the worst that could happen it all collapses and something better could them be brought in to replace such as just a register

and by elecsa and NIC joining together i think will just lead to more costs as they now have schemes for all sorts besides DI and approved complete scam and joke

 

[gazzamikes]

When I was doing my 2395 I was talking to a chap and he said he's never been part p just takes his quals and the test cert for the job they take copies and their happy. So why do we all bother?

 

[edrobbo8]

Had an interesting convo with Elecsa as my annual renewal fell the week after the new rules came in. So I said is it worth my while renewing, as probably 5% of my customers know about Part P, about the same again ask for an LABC certificate, so I put this to Elecsa who said they are spending x amount of pounds of the new register's marketing etc.

Later on I asked how the 3rd party certification is going to work, he said actually nobody knows as they have delayed that until September, I said what if I want to carry out a consumer unit change and get someone to 3rd party notify it, he said that there was no ruling in place to stop you doing that, the whole thing is a total pi55pot of a shambles.

 

[topcat]

I think that ELECSA and NIC will end up as one thats a shame as I dont want all the crap that nic come up with.

 

[markc123]

Third year with Napit, just booked my third inspection. What's the problem?

The minor works thread from the other day caused all this up-roar.

My opinions of Napit have firmly changed.

If they don't inspect all of there members every year then they are a disgrace to the trade. How the F are they getting away with that, i literally don't understand.

 

[DaveyD]

Ok. Thanks. Ill have a search.

 

[Jay Sparks]

The minor works thread from the other day caused all this up-roar.

My opinions of Napit have firmly changed.

If they don't inspect all of there members every year then they are a disgrace to the trade. How the F are they getting away with that, i literally don't understand.

This is how "Gas Safe" does it. They do your first inspection and it costs around £300. Then they do another one 18 months later...but thats it....they dont inspect your work again, UNLESS a customer puts in a complaint about your work...

 

[plugsandsparks]

NAPIT have been talking about a risk based assessment criteria for a while. I believe its the way they wanted to go as annually assessing some sparks was a waste of time but some less experienced and knowledgeable sparks needed more than an annual assessment. I fully undestand their position and think it has merit.
Whether they win this argument in the industry is ongoing, i believe.

 

[brucelee]

Elecsa and NIC are going to become one as in some of the literature i have read it seems for now they will carry on as it is under certsure and assessments will still be the same but it looks as if in next couple of years that will change looking at the wording of the connections magazine and other literature

As regards the 3rd party certifier Elecsa and JIB didnt have a clue with regards to this or Qs status
not one of them has any idea what they are doing is just all about scamming money from us

They told me that I can not carry out I&T of anothers persons work and notify through my scheme when i pushed him on the part p doc they said that they were delaying this because of issues regarding warranty provision
probably bring another qual out for this as well as more Garbage they come up with
I joined elecsa Not NIC and dont want to be under NIC Maybe they should have asked there members what they wanted before pushing ahead as its us who payes for there schemes and there wages

 

[trev]

Maybe they should have asked there members what they wanted before pushing ahead as its us who payes for there schemes and there wages

So you expect democracy and a service? Didn't have you down as the naïve type Bruce

 

[markc123]

This is how "Gas Safe" does it. They do your first inspection and it costs around £300. Then they do another one 18 months later...but thats it....they dont inspect your work again, UNLESS a customer puts in a complaint about your work...

I work with gas-safe registered lads every other day, and that's the very first i've ever heard of that. Learn something everyday cheers Jay.

NAPIT have been talking about a risk based assessment criteria for a while. I believe its the way they wanted to go as annually assessing some sparks was a waste of time but some less experienced and knowledgeable sparks needed more than an annual assessment. I fully undestand their position and think it has merit.
Whether they win this argument in the industry is ongoing, i believe.

Now to be fair - the way you've worded that, it's changed my mind a little from my gung-ho / angry comment earlier in this thread.

I can see what you're saying, and if it's the inexperienced ones that get inspected more often then i can see the sense in that - however, it should be the same with the NIC and Elecsa then. I don't like the idea of it being one rule for the napit lads, and then another rule for the rest of us - we're all in the same trade, it should be a level playing field throughout (which gets onto the argument of just having one bloody scheme, not several.)

The £444 that elecsa charge anually, i've always taken then anual inspection as part of the 'ridiculous' fee. If they were to ever change to inspecting less frequently i'd put a bet on that the price wouldn't come down.

The whole trade is full with contradictions / floors / badly worded itenery and obviouslly money making scumbags.

It should be 1 scheme, 1 rule for everyone. Siiiimples if you ask me, but then again the officeboys would be losing out financially so that'll never happen.

 

[oldtimer]

What gets me is how all of the scams have developed a dependency culture where they put this pretense up about being registered and wear that badge with pride . I have worked for years in repair and maintenance and the is a term used cause and effect so if you fit say a type of bearing to a motor and it fails after 6 months then cause and effect says you are fitting the wrong bearing yet if we apply this mentality to our trade who here on this forum could stand up and say the Schemies have been good for the trade ?.

In my view the Schemies have contributed to the poor standards and the state we are in today plus dont get me started on how other trades see us 20 years ago an electrician had a status on a site as the site manager knew what you had to do to get qualified.

So whats changed well basically nothing except the Schemies have hit paydirt as the don't give a ---- in this current economical climate that by the way has another 6-10 years to go and all they have done is drive costs up and seem to be content to preside over constant changes within our trade ie PIR-EICR, BRB-BGB revised GN3 revised ISI&TEE changes to certification . So all good for getting the sales up on the Scheme junkies who will need a course that by the way they will sell you.

Ironically the LBC's cannot police the system that is being ignored more and more ie walk into a DIY shed and you to can be a weekend electrician plus the notification police are not going to kick down the door and shout "This is a raid get that twin RCD consumer unit stripped out and put the old 3036 back in right now"

And to finish what are the Schemies doing about to lack of competent people they are badging who funny enough pass their annual inspection or worse still the big Bathroom,Kitchen and Sheds who's installation teams are using someone elses registration number to sign of a job. So better call it what it is a bl00dy mess or what the parlimentry committee called the Schemies conduct as a serious conflict of interests. No wonder they are merging as always just like rouge traders who get caught out they change their name and hope nobody notices as they no longer have any credibility

 

[Kate]

Sorry for starting a 'schemies' war!!

ive always had an annual inspection with NAPIT. I'm sure my assessor last year was telling me that there aren't as many assessors as normal and he has to cover a larger area, so maybe they are dealing with a backlog?? It's taken upto 3months from paying fee to get an inspection before but I still get one every year.

As for gas-safe, I'm sure that's not true. Not sure of assessmental intervals though. Don't u get a gas-safe ID?? Is it that they get inspected every time the ID needs renewing which could be every 3years?? My BFs father is gas-safe and I know he's had at least 2 inspections in last 4years. He's been self employed for 30+years and has been gas-safe since forever!

All this scheme talk is not helping, I'm due for renewal soon and normally I would just renew with NAPIT but now they all sound shyte!!!