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When I served my time the company I worked for had a period when everyone was flapping about and things were checked and double checked then checked again, the reason I found out later was because the NIC were coming for an inspection to see if we were worthy of their badge. At the time it was seen as a badge worth having and one that meant something. How many of us now join the schemes for that reason or do we do it just because we have to? I haven't done it because I don't need to but I can see a day coming when it will be necessary.
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I'm with NAPIT. Joined when Part P came on the scene.
I had my initial assessment, one two years later and have only had one since.
I asked about this, and yes its done on a risk-based assessment. Obviously I didn't ask any tricky questions and have kept my nose clean.
I don't really care if they never come round. Its a waste of half a day for me.
As the above. I talked to my LABC about the reduced notification requirements. I know them, they know me. They are happy to take my BS7671 certs as collateral for BR sign off so, going forward, i may just bail out of the scams and save myself some dosh.
I had my initial assessment, one two years later and have only had one since.
I asked about this, and yes its done on a risk-based assessment. Obviously I didn't ask any tricky questions and have kept my nose clean.
I don't really care if they never come round. Its a waste of half a day for me.
As the above. I talked to my LABC about the reduced notification requirements. I know them, they know me. They are happy to take my BS7671 certs as collateral for BR sign off so, going forward, i may just bail out of the scams and save myself some dosh.
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Kate
Balls..so when I chase up for them to set a date for an inspection I'm sort of shooting myself in the foot!! I've I'd have known it wasnt a requirement I wouldn't keep asking for it!!
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brucelee
they are supposed to be assessing annually
when i applied for JIB card with Qs status I was informed as i was with Elecsa my regsitration certificate and documents had to dated within 3 months of my asssessment but if i was with NIC or napit it didnt
this sounded like double standards
so when i emailed JIB again was told that this was becasue Elecsa had agreed to assess us at 3 monthly intervals to which i replied we dont its annual
she said that if elecsa had changed there assessment criteria that they would have to contact jIB and discuss with them so i contacted elecsa and they contacted JIB on my behalf and at the end of it I am still no wiser was jsut told it was so a applicant couldnt apply for JIB Qs status with a month or 2 left and then fail the assessment but still have a card for the next 12 months
they said that the lady at the JIB knew the criteria but I am still no wiser anyway received MY JIB card and a seperate Qs card white
I asked why seperate card i thought it was supposed to be on the ecs gold card and do you not include it on that
she said yes
Think it was because i couldnt get section 10 signed by employer or someone I had subbied for
the white card only lasts for 12 months and has to be renewed at a cost of £8+ so more money werethe ecs card is for 3 yrs
anyway dont know anymore I am just confused with the lot of it and have basically given up asking lol
My assessment with elecsa was late last year due to backlog was about 14 months since last one
I was told when i rang to check in case they had forgot
just didnt want to get a letter through the door saying I had missed it and have to pay a extra fee
when i applied for JIB card with Qs status I was informed as i was with Elecsa my regsitration certificate and documents had to dated within 3 months of my asssessment but if i was with NIC or napit it didnt
this sounded like double standards
so when i emailed JIB again was told that this was becasue Elecsa had agreed to assess us at 3 monthly intervals to which i replied we dont its annual
she said that if elecsa had changed there assessment criteria that they would have to contact jIB and discuss with them so i contacted elecsa and they contacted JIB on my behalf and at the end of it I am still no wiser was jsut told it was so a applicant couldnt apply for JIB Qs status with a month or 2 left and then fail the assessment but still have a card for the next 12 months
they said that the lady at the JIB knew the criteria but I am still no wiser anyway received MY JIB card and a seperate Qs card white
I asked why seperate card i thought it was supposed to be on the ecs gold card and do you not include it on that
she said yes
Think it was because i couldnt get section 10 signed by employer or someone I had subbied for
the white card only lasts for 12 months and has to be renewed at a cost of £8+ so more money werethe ecs card is for 3 yrs
anyway dont know anymore I am just confused with the lot of it and have basically given up asking lol
My assessment with elecsa was late last year due to backlog was about 14 months since last one
I was told when i rang to check in case they had forgot
just didnt want to get a letter through the door saying I had missed it and have to pay a extra fee
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MDJ
Kate someone like yourself who is a professional should join ELECSA or the NICEIC and get yourself on the electrical safety register, I can tell your a proper spark with credit by your posting and concerns, fair play to you, it could help you get more work and respect, most local authorities like these schemes because of annual assessments and the right insurances etc, Regardless of what's posted here about the Scams, in reality some are laughed at by architects and consultants because they do not monitor their contractors regularly, tin hat on and asbestos gloves as well he he, seriously unless Napit start to get a grip on this they will fall away and lose ground, if you phone for inspections you must feel your not getting your money's worth, try a different scheme, doesn't have to be NICEIC, try ELECSA
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Kate
I am on elec safe register 
and another i forget the name of, although NAPIT did **** me off slightly by not confirming the details they put on there. Included my landline number and it never gets used, only have one for broadband, we rarely answer it here. Wonder if I miss calls regularly???
my insurance renews about 5weeks after my NAPIT membership so I may have to consider 5weeks without membership or overlap 2 insurance policies. Would have to look up the terms of my insurance as im not sure if I have to be a NAPIT member to have valid insurance.
So your NICEIC, can you get electronic copies of the certificates? I've gotten used to typing them up, it may take a lot longer but it looks so much better.
thank you for the compliment, I do take pride in my work
and another i forget the name of, although NAPIT did **** me off slightly by not confirming the details they put on there. Included my landline number and it never gets used, only have one for broadband, we rarely answer it here. Wonder if I miss calls regularly???my insurance renews about 5weeks after my NAPIT membership so I may have to consider 5weeks without membership or overlap 2 insurance policies. Would have to look up the terms of my insurance as im not sure if I have to be a NAPIT member to have valid insurance.
So your NICEIC, can you get electronic copies of the certificates? I've gotten used to typing them up, it may take a lot longer but it looks so much better.
thank you for the compliment, I do take pride in my work
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brucelee
Kate you can transfer from one scheme to another just contact the one you want to go with and they should sort it and prob inform the old one you want to leave as for insurance its valid whoever your with
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SparkyJoe
Im with napit, Haven't had a problem with them, does what it says on the tin. Id like to bet £1 that NICEIC domestic installer scheme vanish's and everyone ends up on elecsa for domestic / part p etc tho.
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brucelee
Yeah prob end up were its NIC for approved contractor and elecsa for DI
even though at present under elecsa your classed as approved contractor think if you want official recognition though for clients you may have to also join ECA WHICH i KEEP GETTING BOMBARDED WITH EMAILS TO DO LOL
even though at present under elecsa your classed as approved contractor think if you want official recognition though for clients you may have to also join ECA WHICH i KEEP GETTING BOMBARDED WITH EMAILS TO DO LOL
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MDJ
I am on elec safe register
my insurance renews about 5weeks after my NAPIT membership so I may have to consider 5weeks without membership or overlap 2 insurance policies. Would have to look up the terms of my insurance as im not sure if I have to be a NAPIT member to have valid insurance.
So your NICEIC, can you get electronic copies of the certificates? I've gotten used to typing them up, it may take a lot longer but it looks so much better.
thank you for the compliment, I do take pride in my work
yep certificates are computerised
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markc123
Im with elecsa and the ECA - don't have a problem with the ECA, on the odd occasion when ive had to ring the helpline they've actually been helpful
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brucelee
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markc123
Im about to say this with tears streaming down my eyes, and a burning arsehole...
It's £460 (roughly) for a ECA membership for the year. Elecsa are part of the ECA and they do the anual inspection (part-p) on behalf of the ECA which costs an extra £444 anually.
So, just over £900 per year for ECA and Elecsa.
Because they work in conjunction with themselves, i often get confused lol. On a post the other day on this forum, which i can't find because i can't remember the name of....someone questioned me when i said the schools around here accept elecsa, i meant ECA.
The reason im a member of the ECA aswell is because the brand brings in aditional work - i've had countless clients recently discover me from the ECA website, otherwise i'd just stick with elecsa. ECA, are just about on par with the NIC 'recognition-wise' around these parts at the moment.
Now, my arse has gone from a deep burn to a steady bleed.
This just proves how much I read/take intrest in, the Elecsa stuff. This is my second year with them and I new they were part of the ECA but didnt realise you had to pay again to join ECA!!!! Is it worth the extra £400+ Mark?? Did you get new clients quite quickly? I am looking at ways to bring in more clients but everything I think of is too blinking expensive!!lol
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markc123
Well, put it this way - if you're a official member without paying im travelling to their head office and torching it lol.
I don't really wonna say Jay because i'd hate for you to pay the extra and it not work out. But, for me personally it's been benefitial.
3moths ago, a scottish man had bought a holiday house in the area and he had got our name through the ECA website because he knew of nobody around here.
A few privately owned caravan-parks around here have had our name off the ECA website. - and i've done continuous work for them now for a few years, so in time that's paid off.
This is why im lead to believe that the ECA have an on-par reputation with the NIC around North.Yorks.
Whats worked for me, might not work for others though - so your call Jay lol. I may have just been lucky, who knows - maybe someone else on the forum is in the same posistion as me to add more input?
Cheers mark, not many caravan parks round here, unless you count gypo's....lol. Its always a gamble when you try something new. I am on yell.crap and im paying nearly £100 a month, I've had I call from it.....not gonna bother with them again when it runs out..lol
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markc123
I wouldn't like to know what the state of the electrics is on some of these gypo-parks lol.
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P.s. the extra-long space between the post and my name was in reference/pi$$ take to your last post Jay, and the unnecessary 7-10lines between the post and your name 
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