Part p schemes

[DurhamSparky]

my certs have the elecsa logo and my scheme number on them and i don't pay silly money to do PIRs to them....!!

another money making scheme!!

 

[Tonkatoy27]

Pass, Haven't come across that prob yet. they are still happy to discuss the odd 'I dunno whats the best course of action' problem. Presume it's best to be able to say that 'I'm tested by a governing body' if you end up in a court of law if someone get injured by an installation you've tested.

 

[DurhamSparky]

if you end up in court you have your 2391 and experience to back you up....!! (do you have them????)

 

[Tonkatoy27]

Pass, Another feather to your cap if it all goes ---- up and someone gets hurt by an installation you've tested I suppose.

 

[Tonkatoy27]

Agreed, it's stupid money and I don't feel the need to get ELECSA approved for EICR's (or 2391). A good working knowledge of the regs, lots of experience and a lot of common sense should suffice.

 

[chrisday3000]

Ok another question lads,

On the EICR Certs on this link, http://www.elecsa.co.uk/Documents/P...1-Amd1-Installation-Condition-Report-(1).aspx

On Section G the declaration, obviously the inspected and tested by would be yourself, but what about the bit next to it - Report authorised for issue by?

 

[malcolmsanford]

In your case....................... you or if you create a limited company the name of your company

 

[chrisday3000]

So as a sole trader, you would put yourself twice?

 

[malcolmsanford]

yes....................

 

[Octopus]

There are people about who have passed the 2391 with little or no practical experience of electrical installations - so I'd argue that having the 2391 isn't the only requirement for being competent.

 

[SirKit Breaker]

The upshot of all this is.

It doensn't matter what you are inspecting, testing, designing, constructing, installing, in the Electrical world.
The simple fact of it all, is you DO NOT need any sort of qualification to be an Electrician, you DO NOT have to join any scheme. You DO however, need to prove competence, and work safely. I don't agree with all this, but it is the facts.

Don't believe me? then read through the EAW regs, there is no mention of qualifications, just "must be competent". It is the same in the BGB, competent person, skilled person and so on, its in definitions, and again, nowhere does it mention qualifications.


Cheers............Howard

 

[trev]

There are people about who have passed the 2391 with little or no practical experience of electrical installations - so I'd argue that having the 2391 isn't the only requirement for being competent.

According to C&G info, to be eligible to take the 2391 course and exam you have to be a practicing electrician and actively involved in I&T. So it's not C&G at fault here it's the colleges who will let anyone on the course as long as they can pay the fee. For example, when I did it the second time there was a taxi driver on it who had been told all he needed was 2391 and he would be a spark. Surprisingly enough because of a lack of the basic knowledge he failed.
Taxi driver 0 College £300.
Jobs a goodun????

 

[SirKit Breaker]

According to C&G info, to be eligible to take the 2391 course and exam you have to be a practicing electrician and actively involved in I&T. So it's not C&G at fault here it's the colleges who will let anyone on the course as long as they can pay the fee. For example, when I did it the second time there was a taxi driver on it who had been told all he needed was 2391 and he would be a spark. Surprisingly enough because of a lack of the basic knowledge he failed.
Taxi driver 0 College £300.
Jobs a goodun????

Trev,

You are not wrong, but that is just guidance. The minimum requirements to undertake 2391,2394, 2395 and 2396 is that you are 18 years or older.

Cheers.........Howard

 

[trev]

Ok Howard I stand corrected but, as a college lecturer would you be happy taking a lesson full of lads who couldn't even change a plug top?
I know it's not down to you who gets admitted but I think that the guidance from C&G should sometimes be an instruction

 

[SirKit Breaker]

Ok Howard I stand corrected but, as a college lecturer would you be happy taking a lesson full of lads who couldn't even change a plug top?
I know it's not down to you who gets admitted but I think that the guidance from C&G should sometimes be an instruction

Trev,

You are not corrected, you were right in the first place, that is their advice, All i was adding, was that the basic minimum requirement for C&G was a minimum age of 18, so if you are 18 you can do the course. And no i wouldnt let anyone on my courses without experience, it is hard work enough with very experienced people, let alone those with no knowledge. I vet all applicants anyway.

Cheers.........Howard

 

[brucelee]

and most providers prefer you to have the 17th but dont think thats set in stone just think its because of the correct terminolgy is needed etc

 

[trev]

Trev,

You are not corrected, you were right in the first place, that is their advice, All i was adding, was that the basic minimum requirement for C&G was a minimum age of 18, so if you are 18 you can do the course. And no i wouldnt let anyone on my courses without experience, it is hard work enough with very experienced people, let alone those with no knowledge. I vet all applicants anyway.

Cheers.........Howard

Newcastle college actually have an entrance exam for their 2391 course, what a fantastic idea. Gets rid of chance your arm dafties who have no chance of passing and makes lecturers and students lives easier in the long run