EICR price work, thoughts please....

[leep82]

Very interested in peoples opinions on this thread title. Basically ive been sub contracting to a company who have recently won a contract to carry out EICR and any remedial works on a number of propertys local to me. Im being fed the usual lines of how much money i could make but i’ll be honest alarm bells started to ring as soon as it was suggested the work would be on a price.

Although i am keen to carry out more EICR’s i dont think it is work that should be rushed, as ultimately it will be my name going on the cert. I have found out today that the actual price per property is £40, which i think is absolutely ridiculous. I dont know if these reports will be a percentage or the whole of the installation, but regardless of that i feel i will be rushing to make my money which as ive already stated i dont like to do when i test. There is a fixed price for any remedial work that needs to be done which i believe is £15, again ridiculous IMO. What if the remedial work takes an hour??

Personaly, feel like i need to give this a wide bearth, any other thoughts/opinions much appreciated.

 

[Pete999]

Don't want to sound harsh Leep82, but you said in your opening that you had just won this contract, surely you must have investigated what the requirements for carrying out these EICRs before you actually signed up for the work? At £40 per report it is hardly sufficient to do a decent report. Sorry but that's how I see the situation, but good luck anyway. I do realise work is work and you need all you can get, but with a job like this it would be in my opinion, a good one to walk away from, these scrotsare making money from genuinly decent Sparks, and should be avoided like the Black Death.

 

[leep82]

Don't want to sound harsh Leep82, but you said in your opening that you had just won this contract, surely you must have investigated what the requirements for carrying out these EICRs before you actually signed up for the work? At £40 per report it is hardly sufficient to do a decent report. Sorry but that's how I see the situation, but good luck anyway. I do realise work is work and you need all you can get, but with a job like this it would be in my opinion, a good one to walk away from, these scrotsare making money from genuinly decent Sparks, and should be avoided like the Black Death.

I haven't won it. The company i am currently subbing to have won it and are trying to get me to do it.

 

[Spoon]

They are having a laugh... £40 for an EICR & £15 to fix anything..
Tell your company that them prices are ridiculous.

 

[Octopus]

£40 to do an EICR ....................... they will NOT be worth the money they are printed on.......................... end of

 

[Dannyg8810]

I can’t believe your even thinking about it........

 

[Pete999]

I haven't won it. The company i am currently subbing to have won it and are trying to get me to do it.

Sorry Mate I thought it was you that had won the contract, a dificult one to call, guess it's down to how much work they give you, you nee to tell them it's not viable, as it will be your neck on the line, and I'm sur the guys you work for, will shift the blame your way, should things go bobies up, your call is what I'm saying, I would walk away but it's a no win situation.

 

[leep82]

They are having a laugh... £40 for an EICR & £15 to fix anything..
Tell your company that them prices are ridiculous.

These are my thoughts. I only found out the price today. Up until now i have said i may be interested as its work i wanted to do more of and its on my doorstep. Now i know the full details i think i’ll be steering well clear. Also the price is the same regardless of the size of property!!!!

 

[leep82]

Sorry Mate I thought it was you that had won the contract, a dificult one to call, guess it's down to how much work they give you, you nee to tell them it's not viable, as it will be your neck on the line, and I'm sur the guys you work for, will shift the blame your way, should things go bobies up, your call is what I'm saying, I would walk away but it's a no win situation.

No problem, i think they are preying on people they feel might be desperate for the work but i aren't desperate enough or prepared to drop my standards.

 

[leep82]

£40 to do an EICR ....................... they will NOT be worth the money they are printed on.......................... end of

Ridiculous isnt it. Apparantly they want 3 a day doing.

 

[Octopus]

Also the price is the same regardless of the size of property!!!!

I'd like to know how any business could justify such a statement - you might be able to scrape a living if they were all bedsits with 3 or 4 circuits and you have the keys.

Dare ask which scheme the employer is signed up with?

 

[NDG Elecs]

Last few EICRs I have done cost approx £155.00 each. The remedials will likely average out to be around £600.00 per property. And that is with reasonable pricing. £55.00 would get you knowhere.... I would 100% be cutting them loose mate.

 

[leep82]

I'd like to know how any business could justify such a statement - you might be able to scrape a living if they were all bedsits with 3 or 4 circuits and you have the keys.

Dare ask which scheme the employer is signed up with?

NICEIC badges plastered across there vans

 

[Pete999]

NICEIC badges plastered across there vans

No surprises there then.

 

[Octopus]

NICEIC badges plastered across there vans

Which again seriously undermines the "statements" of the NICEIC - and before anyone shouts me down, they stand for improving standards ............................... which doing EICR's for £40 is absolutely NOT going to improve ANYTHING, least of all the companies bank balance or profitability.

 

[Spoon]

No surprises there then.

You love them really...

 

[Spoon]

No wonder NICEIC has a bad reputation.. (like British Gas)

 

[Octopus]

My minimum charge for an EICR is £135

Any remedial work is subject to a separate estimate.

I'm SE but won't work for peanuts ................

 

[Leesparkykent]

A local firm to me who looks after housing association stock pays £55 per EICR so the lads have to bang out 3 a day to earn a crust...These properties are regularly maintained so not many problems apart from the odd, old broken accessory. The report is produced on an app that they've had made. Usually 6 circuits a house Up lights, down lights, up sockets, down sockets, cooker and kitchen sockets...If you base that on an 8 hour day that's 2 and quarter circuits an hour. That doesn't account for traveling, writing the results etc. £40 is taking the biscuit imo unless there is only two or three circuits per house

 

[Pete999]

You love them really...

Not in a Million years Spoon Parasites all of em imo

 

[Pete999]

Which again seriously undermines the "statements" of the NICEIC - and before anyone shouts me down, they stand for improving standards ............................... which doing EICR's for £40 is absolutely NOT going to improve ANYTHING, least of all the companies bank balance or profitability.

Might improve their bank ballancein the short term Mate, someone will cotton on sooner or later.

 

[Octopus]

Might improve their bank ballance in the short term

But would it?

This is a business with overheads .......... the admin isn't free...........

 

[AJshep]

£40 is stupid ! Your not going to be able to test properly and make a living on that price.

For £40 realistically all they are going to get a quick visual inspection , Ze at DB with bonding still connected PSC, Zs reading taken at approx the furthest point. RCD tests, Maybe ring continuity if the tester can be bothered.
30mins Labour 30mins filling in sheet.
The £15 remedial, change broken twin socket.

Depending where you and the cost of living I'd say between £20 and £30 a circuit is a fair price for testing.

 

[westward10]

What you need to remember is the OP is being offered £40 plus £15 for any remedial works. This does not mean the contractor he is subbing for is getting this amount, they could be getting more per site but giving the subby peanuts with the possible incentive they will churn out the work earning the contractor lots of money.

 

[Matesrates]

I left a company not that long ago that started doing this kind of work.
2 sparks to do an eicr and replace every accessory in the flats usually 2 or 3 bedrooms
They were wanting 4 a day to make a price.
We were getting 2 done with no breaks and on site from 8 til 4.30 and doing the paper work at night so no price made just on hourly rate. They had the cheek to question why we couldnt do more as other sqauds were getting 4 done and finished for 2.30.

We had to go back and change a couple accessories in one of their houses. First one we went to there was no main earth cable atall. Couldnt make it up i quit not long after.

 

[AJshep]

Sure there be

Tbey had the cheek to question why we couldnt do more as other sqauds were getting 4 done and finished for 2.30.

We had to go back and chamgw a couplw accessories in one of their houses. First one we went to there was no main earth cable atall. Couldnt make it up i quot not lomg after.

Knew a bloke who used this along with Jif (as it was known back then)

 

[PEG]

My paper-boy clears that,in a weekend...as usual,though,it only takes one man to say "yes"and the spiralling mess begins...

 

[Nigel]

At that price we would need to do one every 30 minutes. Completely unrealistic.

 

[peterhyper]

Thank goodness I ain't desperate enough that I would have to consider working for Such silly money. I would honestly make more money as a dog walker where I live (not to be confused with dogging).

 

[Deleted member 26818]

I won’t do an EICR for less than £200 now.

 

[Octopus]

I won’t do an EICR for less than £200 now.

Not even a bedsit?

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Not even a bedsit?

No, not even for a bedsit.
I charge a day rate, as I couldn’t say in advance how long it will take and I would not be able to book other work for that day.
Saying that though, there was an occasion when I didn’t charge at all. Inspected a mate’s mum’s house after a rewireable fuse and blown due to a faulty cooker.
Whoever installed the cookertried to scare her into having a require.
After a fairly short inspection and the normal tests, I explained to her there was nothing really wrong, the fuse had done exactly what it should have done, and that a require just wasn’t worth the expense.

 

[Anthony S]

Its a race to the bottom anything to do domestic. Stack the work high and sell it cheap and its working a treat.

 

[sparksfly]

An EICR for £40 or £50 domestic is a joke...it is less than a rare visual I have charged for. I agree with most of the previous comments here. Ask yourself this.....what if something went wrong but you missed the obvious or did not carry out all the tests ?.....who's name is on the report ??. I have come across "letter box" electricians boasting 4-5 properties a day...but the written reports were less than useless....excessive use of the term "Lim" for test results. I have charged 4x cct flat for £120 four years ago...today £160. Av house around £190. The report is an MOT for the electrical installation with emphasis on SAFETY. I rejected (last year) £150 EICR from a letting agent for a two bed flat with 10x circuits incl PAT testing all heaters and appliances. I get it, it is hard sometimes when work is slow or you want to keep "regulars" happy but to what cost to yourself ? There will always be someone cheaper but cheaper for a reason !!....walk away with valid feedback that it is not economically viable or safe for the owner/occupants on that cost basis.

 

[JK-Electrical]

NICEIC badges plastered across there vans

Cor blimey .... blow me over ..... strike a light guv ..... stone the crows ..... knock me down with a feather.

 

[Pete999]

Which again seriously undermines the "statements" of the NICEIC - and before anyone shouts me down, they stand for improving standards ............................... which doing EICR's for £40 is absolutely NOT going to improve ANYTHING, least of all the companies bank balance or profitability.

Improving cashflow would be a better anology Murdoch

 

[leep82]

Needless to say i will be politely declining this work.

 

[AJshep]

I've thought about this a bit, if I were in this situation and this was the only work on the table then in this case I think I would establish a firm set of rules with the person's ordering the work first.

1) Every EICR I carried out I'd want the EIC so I could suitably compair the results, I'd only be happy to sample such a small amount and give it a suitable interval if I could suitably compare results with the original certificate, maximum time being 5 year's.

2) Id specifiy exactly what tests are going to be carried out (which we all agree would be minimal for that price) I'd make it clear in writing first and specify that this must be recorded on the test sheet so no pulling the wool over anyone's eyes, and the inspector is covering himself. (The reason I say this is because I know some company's have admin staff that type these tests up)

3) If no orignal EIC are provided,with satisfactory results I'd have to recommend the date of next test to be carried out the following year as only minimal test were carried out.
If they didn't like this Id explain that test intervals are only for guidance now, and it's down to the profession judgement of the inspector.

 

[Risteard]

didn't like this Id explain that test intervals are only for guidance now, and it's down to the profession judgement of the inspector.

That was always the case. They are only guidance for the period until the first Periodic Inspection and then the inspector will make a judgement about the timeframe during that for the next Periodic Inspection.