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the schemes...their not about safety or quality of work...are they...
given some of the down rite apalling work we`v seen images of in here of late...together with the stony faced reluctance to acnowledge any responsibility on their part...are they actually in breach of their advertising `claims`..nodding towards `safety`...and `compliance`...and other eyecatching fluff like that...?
given some of the down rite apalling work we`v seen images of in here of late...together with the stony faced reluctance to acnowledge any responsibility on their part...are they actually in breach of their advertising `claims`..nodding towards `safety`...and `compliance`...and other eyecatching fluff like that...?
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they sit about & get our money....for nothing..
Yep..
its the scams & the likes of `rated people`....
Yep..
its the scams & the likes of `rated people`....
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ayjay
Re: they sit about & get our money....for nothing..
hi glenn
there will always be parasites that take advantage
unfortunately some are prone to give money to them in the hope that they will become a bona fide sparky
hi glenn
there will always be parasites that take advantage
unfortunately some are prone to give money to them in the hope that they will become a bona fide sparky
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Geordie Spark
Re: the rackets...why are we paying them?
In my lifetime I've been a member of three unions - the engineers' union (AEU???), the supervisors' union (TASS or something) and the Musicians' Union. The only one that was of any use at all to me was the Musician's Union who gave me a lot of help in suing a Working Mens' Club in (*spit*) Sunderland that tried to rip me off.
In my lifetime I've been a member of three unions - the engineers' union (AEU???), the supervisors' union (TASS or something) and the Musicians' Union. The only one that was of any use at all to me was the Musician's Union who gave me a lot of help in suing a Working Mens' Club in (*spit*) Sunderland that tried to rip me off.
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Re: the schemes...their not about safety or quality of work...are they...
From the EAS 2012 scheme document it seems not as these are the requirements for action on receipt of a complaint:
22. COMPLAINTS ABOUT AN ASSESSED ENTERPRISE’S ELECTRICAL INSTALLATION WORK
22.0 The Certification or Registration Body shall have procedures in place to deal with complaints in a timely manner.
22.1 Where a complaint against an Assessed Enterprise cannot be resolved by the Enterprise and the complaint is subsequently received by a Certification or Registration Body indicating that the work undertaken by the Assessed Enterprise, or sub-let by the Assessed Enterprise, does not meet the requirements of the relevant standards listed in Appendix 2, the Assessed Enterprise shall be required to provide facilities for inspections to be carried out by the Certification or Registration Body, including test equipment and access to the work to be inspected.
22.3 Where, as a result of such inspections, it is shown to the satisfaction of the Certification or Registration Body that the standard of the work is below that required; the Assessed Enterprise shall be required, at its own expense, to take remedial action within a specified time as notified to it by the Certification or Registration Body.
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22.4 The Certification or Registration Body shall investigate complaints about an Assessed Enterprise’s Electrical installation work where:
22.4.1 the work was undertaken within the scope of the Assessment Certificate; and
22.4.2 the work was undertaken within the last two years or was undertaken since the date of issue of the Assessment Certificate, whichever is the shorter period.
The other requirement from the minimum technical standards document 2014 also does not seem to be in place..
The Competent Person Scheme Operator shall have systems in place to ensure that each registered enterprise has sufficient competent individuals to ensure the compliance of the work undertaken by each registered enterprise, that work is certified only by competent individuals who have demonstrated the required competence and have had sufficient involvement to do so. The work of each competent individual shall be periodically randomly monitored by the scheme operator to check on its compliance.
From the EAS 2012 scheme document it seems not as these are the requirements for action on receipt of a complaint:
22. COMPLAINTS ABOUT AN ASSESSED ENTERPRISE’S ELECTRICAL INSTALLATION WORK
22.0 The Certification or Registration Body shall have procedures in place to deal with complaints in a timely manner.
22.1 Where a complaint against an Assessed Enterprise cannot be resolved by the Enterprise and the complaint is subsequently received by a Certification or Registration Body indicating that the work undertaken by the Assessed Enterprise, or sub-let by the Assessed Enterprise, does not meet the requirements of the relevant standards listed in Appendix 2, the Assessed Enterprise shall be required to provide facilities for inspections to be carried out by the Certification or Registration Body, including test equipment and access to the work to be inspected.
22.3 Where, as a result of such inspections, it is shown to the satisfaction of the Certification or Registration Body that the standard of the work is below that required; the Assessed Enterprise shall be required, at its own expense, to take remedial action within a specified time as notified to it by the Certification or Registration Body.
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22.4 The Certification or Registration Body shall investigate complaints about an Assessed Enterprise’s Electrical installation work where:
22.4.1 the work was undertaken within the scope of the Assessment Certificate; and
22.4.2 the work was undertaken within the last two years or was undertaken since the date of issue of the Assessment Certificate, whichever is the shorter period.
The other requirement from the minimum technical standards document 2014 also does not seem to be in place..
The Competent Person Scheme Operator shall have systems in place to ensure that each registered enterprise has sufficient competent individuals to ensure the compliance of the work undertaken by each registered enterprise, that work is certified only by competent individuals who have demonstrated the required competence and have had sufficient involvement to do so. The work of each competent individual shall be periodically randomly monitored by the scheme operator to check on its compliance.
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Darkwood
Re: the standards required for scheme menbership...
Not dis-agreeing Glen but your on one angry night checking your other posts out ... CHill dude! :coolgleamA:
Not dis-agreeing Glen but your on one angry night checking your other posts out ... CHill dude! :coolgleamA:
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Re: Part P is not a qualification
Because they have been conned out of their money and want to believe they have something tangible to show for it.
Unfortunately they don’t have a qualification, they have a worthless piece of paper that should have been printed on recycled toilet tissue.
Because they have been conned out of their money and want to believe they have something tangible to show for it.
Unfortunately they don’t have a qualification, they have a worthless piece of paper that should have been printed on recycled toilet tissue.
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Re: PartP...who is responsible
OK The building regulations are not clear on this one (surprise!)
In relation to Electrical work only; The building regulations (as amended!!) state:
A person intending to carry out building work in relation to which Part P of Schedule 1 imposes a requirement is required to give a building notice or deposit full plans where the work consists of—
(a) the installation of a new circuit;
(b) the replacement of a consumer unit; or
(c) any addition or alteration to existing circuits in a special location.”;
A person intending to carry out building work is not required to give a building notice or deposit full plans where the work consists only of work—
(a) described in column 1 of the Table in Schedule 3 if the work is to be carried out by a person described in the corresponding entry in column 2 of that Table
i.e. you must give a building notice or full plans unless the work its carried out by a CPS member and the work is in their remit.
Who exactly a person intending to carry out building work is, this is the key.
At other points in the regulations they state a person who carries out building work...
A guidance circular regarding the third party inspection scenario states that where the third party informs them of non compliance with building regulations that:
This should enable local authorities to be aware of where they may need to take enforcement action, which would be against the installer.
In this case it is clear that enforcement would be taken against the installer not the building owner.
In more guidance relating to appeals, etc. it states that the those wanting to appeal can be:
Anyone proposing to carry out building work - including property owners, designers, builders and professional advisers
In the charges regulations a person to whom a charge can be applied is a relevant person, defined as:
“relevant person” means—
(a) in relation to a plan charge, inspection charge, reversion charge or building notice charge, the person who carries out the building work or on whose behalf the building work is carried out;
(b) in relation to a regularisation charge, the owner of the building; and
(c) in relation to chargeable advice, any person requesting advice for which a charge may be made pursuant to regulation 5(2).
Based on these pieces of information I would say that there is joint responsibility.
Someone must inform Building Control and that someone can be owners, designers or builders and the charges can be applied to the owners or the person carrying out the work.
OK The building regulations are not clear on this one (surprise!)
In relation to Electrical work only; The building regulations (as amended!!) state:
A person intending to carry out building work in relation to which Part P of Schedule 1 imposes a requirement is required to give a building notice or deposit full plans where the work consists of—
(a) the installation of a new circuit;
(b) the replacement of a consumer unit; or
(c) any addition or alteration to existing circuits in a special location.”;
A person intending to carry out building work is not required to give a building notice or deposit full plans where the work consists only of work—
(a) described in column 1 of the Table in Schedule 3 if the work is to be carried out by a person described in the corresponding entry in column 2 of that Table
i.e. you must give a building notice or full plans unless the work its carried out by a CPS member and the work is in their remit.
Who exactly a person intending to carry out building work is, this is the key.
At other points in the regulations they state a person who carries out building work...
A guidance circular regarding the third party inspection scenario states that where the third party informs them of non compliance with building regulations that:
This should enable local authorities to be aware of where they may need to take enforcement action, which would be against the installer.
In this case it is clear that enforcement would be taken against the installer not the building owner.
In more guidance relating to appeals, etc. it states that the those wanting to appeal can be:
Anyone proposing to carry out building work - including property owners, designers, builders and professional advisers
In the charges regulations a person to whom a charge can be applied is a relevant person, defined as:
“relevant person” means—
(a) in relation to a plan charge, inspection charge, reversion charge or building notice charge, the person who carries out the building work or on whose behalf the building work is carried out;
(b) in relation to a regularisation charge, the owner of the building; and
(c) in relation to chargeable advice, any person requesting advice for which a charge may be made pursuant to regulation 5(2).
Based on these pieces of information I would say that there is joint responsibility.
Someone must inform Building Control and that someone can be owners, designers or builders and the charges can be applied to the owners or the person carrying out the work.
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Re: PartP...who is responsible
but since when has fitting a new CU entailed any form of "building work". CUs are not made of bricks.
but since when has fitting a new CU entailed any form of "building work". CUs are not made of bricks.
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Re: the schemes...their not about safety or quality of work...are they...
corrected there 4U.
corrected there 4U.
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