I could be wrong posting here but i need help

[ChrisElectrical88]

Thats a lash up alright. The incorrect amps that keeps been mentioned must be the 20A DP switch instead of a 45A or 50A Isolator.

The subcontractor he used should be coming back. Report to the NIC or whatever scheme he was with.

Big advert there for why sticky trunking should be used solely to assist installation, not as a permenant fixture.

 

[telectrix]

soz.for the bad spell tag, but you deserve it.. but i agree with your post.

 

[Intoelectrics]

That is definitely a rough job!! Looking at the pictures I'd be tempted to say it all needs ripping out and starting again properly. This is why people should employ proper tradesmen who are qualified & experienced and ideally come with good recommendations.

My advice - Employ a proper spark to come and rectify it asap.

Not sure if there is any merit in taking this guy to court, you would have to seek legal advice on that. But he should be! so he thinks twice about ripping someone else off with dodgy unsafe work.

 

[PEG]

Technically the landlord did give permission for me to get this from someone else because at the time they said they wouldnt carry this work out themselves, the only problem they have is the quality of the work and the safety of it

Hi,"Technically" has no part in this,either your landlord gave permission,or not. To avoid you having to rectify the issue,to the landlord's satisfaction,you would need this written permission.

If the landlord has informed you that the quality and safety,is a problem,then they have accepted knowledge of this,and would have to have the installation either fixed,or removed. This will undoubtedly be in your tenancy agreement.

I am not trying to sink your boat,and i appreciate,that this work was done with the best intentions,but i think your primary task,should not be chasing the muppets who let you down, You need to be ensuring the landlord is satisfied with the situation,as their first point of call,regarding any monies due,will be you.

 

[Cid]

I just need any sort of help in knowing what my grounds are, my rights and if i can get him to fix his work or if his work is good and i should pay extra to get it live again

Any sort of regulations or rules i can say to him that might make him realise i know things would help please

Why do you want the same guy back to fix this? Get a proper electrician to re-do the whole lot.

Take plenty of pictures and get the proper electrician to issue a independent report. You can use this to threaten the handy man with legal action to reclaim some your money. Draw a line under this and move on having learnt your lesson.

 

[magnoliafan89]

Did you say he actually tried to defend his work?!?!?!

 

[45140]

Hi and good morning.
I cannot offer advice nor should you construe my comments as such. What I will do is to offer an opinion.
First over and above all I would NOT take court action. It will cost a lot of money and more than you could recover.

This is what I would do. You decide if this would be suitable for you.
1 : Obtain a survey of what needs to be done to make the installation compliant. This would be best obtained from the housing association, who I hope would be helpful to you in the circumstances. If not pay for a survey by a competent electrical contractor who should set out in writing what is required to make the work good.
2 : Write formally to your shower man and tell him that the installation has not been installed in accordance with the requirements of BS7671, and that following a safety inspection by the housing association, the shower has been disconnected by them.
Confirm that you enclose a survey report that details the remedial work that needs to be undertaken to bring the installation into compliance with BS7671.
3 : Request that he makes good the work and brings it up to a standard that complies with BS7671 and the relevant BS7671 Certificates are issued.
4 : Advise him that he is free to make good the work himself, or appoint a competent contractor to do so on his behalf, and that the total cost of the remedial works and issue of the relevant Certificates will be borne by himself. Whichever way he wishes to proceed with the work he should supply you with evidence that those who will do the work are suitably qualified and competent to do this by means of registration with a suitable trade association, and membership of a Competent Person Scheme in respect of the electrical inspection and testing work.
5 : Tell him that for the avoidance of doubt completion of the remedial works will only occur once the relevant test and inspection certificates have been made available, and the housing association landlord is satisfied with the standard of the remedial work.
6 : Request that he replies within 14 days of receipt of this letter setting out how he intends to proceed, and that if he does not reply within that you reserve the right to instruct a Contractor to undertake the remedial work, and will expect him to reimburse you the full costs of this.

Keep a copy of this letter, and the attachments, which if you have them should include any evidence from the housing association as to the condition/disconnection of the supply, and the survey report that sets out the work required to make the installation compliant. Do NOT discuss money at this stage.

Send the letter recorded delivery, and keep the receipt. You should also state at the start of the letter that it has been sent by recorded delivery to confirm receipt.

Wait for 21 days before moving to the next stage.

 

[pirate]

Why would you get a painter to install your electric shower?

Bludi sure I wouldn't get a spark to paint my living room!

Oh...no...wait a minute...

Sparks can paint! No-one's going to die if they use the wrong stuff...doh!

 

[John Preston]

Back to basics on this whole post. Lesson learnt I'm afraid to say. Get a qualified spark in and demand to see his qualifications etc if you're not sure. Let the spark decide what can be saved and what needs removing. Get him to certify it (not someone else). Then let others know about the "handy man" and not to use him for electrical work. The guy that signed his work off and certified it needs to be mentioned as well as he has no right to self certify due to him not being a member of any scheme. I would think the NIC or Nappit or whoever would not take lightly to someone using their certificates when they are no longer a member. They would probably pursue him for you and give him a good rogering!

 

[Pete999]

Why would you get a painter to install your electric shower?

Bludi sure I wouldn't get a spark to paint my living room!

Oh...no...wait a minute...

Sparks can paint! No-one's going to die if they use the wrong stuff...doh!

An old saying I will always remember "If you can p--- you can paint"

 

[Spoon]

Get a qualified spark in and demand to see his qualifications etc if you're not sure.

This is not a dig at you mate... Nice surname by the way...
Do the general public know what qualifications to look for?

 

[John Preston]

This is not a dig at you mate... Nice surname by the way...
Do the general public know what qualifications to look for?

Very true Mr Spoon... however just the asking the question might scare the life out of a dodgy geezer EDIT: Or Miss, or Mrs Spoon!

 

[Spoon]

Very true Mr Spoon... however just the asking the question might scare the life out of a dodgy geezer EDIT: Or Miss, or Mrs Spoon!

Whichever you want... We are all gender neutral here...

 

[Deleted member 26818]

When I first went self employed in 1988, I turned my hand to just about anything. Over a period of about 12 years, I did all sorts of work.
In one house, I replaced two floors from the foundations up.
One floor in the hallway 20’x 8’, the other in a room 24’x 12’.
Had to support the staircase with breeze blocks and car scissor jacks, rebuild all the brick pillars, replace all the joists and laid a floor from reclaimed planks taken from the side of a barn near where I was living
I replaced the rewire-able fuse box with a split load CU and installed some wall lights in the big room.
Demolished some out buildings and rebuilt a small lean-to.

Got a mate in to plaster the big room and another to paint it.
I did creosote the lean-to.

Another house, I would go round every so often to trim bushes and trees, fix the kitchen lights, replace the odd light fitting and even re-install a double socket that had been installed upside down (live conductor was too short to reach the terminal, the right way up).

Other work involved me going to a mate’s car garage and doing the odd bit of welding for him, replacing his fuse box and also replacing the fuse box in the cafe round the corner.
Still get the odd bit of electrical work from that cafe owner even now.
I also got work for Pimlico Council re-wiring flats in a Mansion block.
I got work for Epping Forest Council toshing out 3 maisonettes on the Limes Farm estate. Had to reconnect an RFC in one, as a link had been left out when a wall had been replaced.

During those 12 years, I did no advertising, it was all word of mouth. I doubt anyone would have described me as an Electrician, most likely as a welder or car mechanic, or even gardener.
Thing is, I qualified as an Electrician in 1983. C&G 2369 parts 1 & 2.

The point of all this, is for all those banging on about employing a painter to do electrical work.
The OP employed the painter because he was recommended.
I hear a lot of advice on here for people who want electrical work done. Most of it is to choose someone recommended by friends or neighbours.

Don’t get me wrong, the painter did a poor job.
No worse though than work I’ve seen done by qualified and registered electricians.

 

[Leesparkykent]

When I first went self employed in 1988, I turned my hand to just about anything. Over a period of about 12 years, I did all sorts of work.
In one house, I replaced two floors from the foundations up.
One floor in the hallway 20’x 8’, the other in a room 24’x 12’.
Had to support the staircase with breeze blocks and car scissor jacks, rebuild all the brick pillars, replace all the joists and laid a floor from reclaimed planks taken from the side of a barn near where I was living
I replaced the rewire-able fuse box with a split load CU and installed some wall lights in the big room.
Demolished some out buildings and rebuilt a small lean-to.

Got a mate in to plaster the big room and another to paint it.
I did creosote the lean-to.

Another house, I would go round every so often to trim bushes and trees, fix the kitchen lights, replace the odd light fitting and even re-install a double socket that had been installed upside down (live conductor was too short to reach the terminal, the right way up).

Other work involved me going to a mate’s car garage and doing the odd bit of welding for him, replacing his fuse box and also replacing the fuse box in the cafe round the corner.
Still get the odd bit of electrical work from that cafe owner even now.
I also got work for Pimlico Council re-wiring flats in a Mansion block.
I got work for Epping Forest Council toshing out 3 maisonettes on the Limes Farm estate. Had to reconnect an RFC in one, as a link had been left out when a wall had been replaced.

During those 12 years, I did no advertising, it was all word of mouth. I doubt anyone would have described me as an Electrician, most likely as a welder or car mechanic, or even gardener.
Thing is, I qualified as an Electrician in 1983. C&G 2369 parts 1 & 2.

The point of all this, is for all those banging on about employing a painter to do electrical work.
The OP employed the painter because he was recommended.
I hear a lot of advice on here for people who want electrical work done. Most of it is to choose someone recommended by friends or neighbours.

Don’t get me wrong, the painter did a poor job.
No worse though than work I’ve seen done by qualified and registered electricians.

Jack of all trades, master of none

 

[westward10]

Jack London with a Spin on all things.

 

[GBDamo]

I just need any sort of help in knowing what my grounds are, my rights and if i can get him to fix his work or if his work is good and i should pay extra to get it live again

Any sort of regulations or rules i can say to him that might make him realise i know things would help please

I feel sorry for you, this is an abortion of a job.

It would be quicker to list the things that are right about it than wrong simply because in those picture I saw nothing done correctly.

You do not want this man back to make good as he does not know what is good.

 

[imjustanonymous]

Thats a lash up alright. The incorrect amps that keeps been mentioned must be the 20A DP switch instead of a 45A or 50A Isolator.

The subcontractor he used should be coming back. Report to the NIC or whatever scheme he was with.

Big advert there for why sticky trunking should be used solely to assist installation, not as a permenant fixture.

Called the subcontractor, he said this is nothing to do with him, just me and the bloke who did the installing

 

[imjustanonymous]

That is definitely a rough job!! Looking at the pictures I'd be tempted to say it all needs ripping out and starting again properly. This is why people should employ proper tradesmen who are qualified & experienced and ideally come with good recommendations.

My advice - Employ a proper spark to come and rectify it asap.

Not sure if there is any merit in taking this guy to court, you would have to seek legal advice on that. But he should be! so he thinks twice about ripping someone else off with dodgy unsafe work.

I do admit its my fault for hiring him but it was through referrals so i thought i could trust them also

Who could i go to about taking this to court or reporting him?

 

[DPG]

Cut your losses and get someone new in to rip it out and redo it. It's a shame you've had to go through this though.