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Dave 85

Ive just been subjected to the most inexplicable chain of seemingly unrelated faults of my career and wondered if anyone might be able to shed any light.
So here goes...
About 18 months ago I did quite a bit of work in a house, new kitchen batroom, utility, consumer unit etc.
The board I used was admittedly a cheap one. The make was Tradeline, 16 way RCBO board, about £150. I naievly assumed anything being sold in a decent UK electrical wholesaler would be fit for purpose, and the boards had been recommended to me by more than one person.

The first thing I noticed after I installed it was that one RCBO was still on when switched off (bad omen) so I replaced this and no more probs. All circuits tested out fine, nothing less than 5M ohms IR. The client hadn't had any issues until a couple of weeks ago. I got a call saying 'our deep fat fryer has packed up, its been fixed but now the RCBO won't switch on. I went round tested the circuit and the fryer and replaced the RCBO (individual 16 amp circuit) All worked fine.

A week later I get a call saying that there was a burning smell coming from the C/U so I sais switch everything off and went straight round. Client was out when I got there, I checked every single screw was tight, found a couple slightly loose in a henley block, fired everything up and couldnt see any probs. A few days later more burning smell 2 different circuits trip out then the whole house has gone dead. Went straight back round at 9pm and the main switch is stuck on with neutral continuity completely gone, so that explains the burning smell. Put a new main switch in but now kitchen ring RCBO wont switch on. Tested circuit and it showed about 4 Meg ohms IR. Temporarily put the kitchen ring on with the upstairs ring. All worked for a few more days then the kitchen/upstairs ring starts tripping 1 or 2 times a day, sometimes at night so overload seems unlikely.
Ive put a new RCBO in for the kitchen ring tonight, contactum one this time because I refuse to use anymore of that tradeline crap.
Circuit still shows 4 m ohms IR checked behind every socket but this reading is coming off the leg from the CU to thge first socket (one of only two legs of said ring that I didn't install.
Working so far.

Another thing...in the last week the clients wine cooler and a radio both on the kitchen ring have packed up. They are very decent people and are not blaming me for this or seeking any compensation but it doesn't look good.

The house could potentially be drawing over 100 amps at times as they have a 7kw electric back up boiler which is only used during the winter and has not been used since well before all the trouble started.

To me it is hard to link any of these events together yet they have all happened in the space of a month after well over a year trouble free.
The only thing I can think of is that the dodgy main switch has put a lot of heat back down the neutral bars and cooked some of the cheapo breakers.

Needless to say it is the first and last time Ill ever be buying any Tradeline stuff.

Anyone got any ideas as to whats going on here? Any input would be much appreciated.
 
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Bloody hell man,

The fact that the neutral continuity was not there could mean that the cabling could have been potentially damaged. Just goes to show that you get what you pay for, but this must have been an accumulation of the 'error batch' of stock that every manufacturor has.
an absolute mare!!
 
Intermitant neutral fault at the CU main switch has cooked the electronics in the rcbo's that werent the best quality to begin with.
Cables should be ok though.
Bad luck there fella , but i think youve diagnosed the fault before customers appliances were wrecked.
 
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cheap crap boards..lol...protius springs to mind here n all......best thing you can do with those things is kick em off the wall wherever you find em.....beastly things...
 
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cheap crap boards..lol...protius springs to mind here n all......best thing you can do with those things is kick em off the wall wherever you find em.....beastly things...

problem is they were quite popular in the 90's in the commercial sector , millionsof them about
But they looked 20 years old 2 days after they were fitted lol.
 
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Surely all equiptment sold in the UK has to be our standards,so if anything is faulty you can take it back to where you bought it within 12months and get a free replacement,i usually fit wylex/mem/hager but there are some british general boards on offer at the wholsalers,anyone had any probs with these if so i will steer clear.
 
Surely all equiptment sold in the UK has to be our standards,so if anything is faulty you can take it back to where you bought it within 12months and get a free replacement,i usually fit wylex/mem/hager but there are some british general boards on offer at the wholsalers,anyone had any probs with these if so i will steer clear.
good boards BGs....easy to work on.....plenty of room in em....fitted one today....
 
Surely all equiptment sold in the UK has to be our standards,so if anything is faulty you can take it back to where you bought it within 12months and get a free replacement,i usually fit wylex/mem/hager but there are some british general boards on offer at the wholsalers,anyone had any probs with these if so i will steer clear.

Well yeah, every time a breaker goes I can go back to the clients house, remove it, temporarily re energise the circuit on another, take it to the wholesaler, get a free replacement, go back, fit it test etc etc..... Doen't really solve my problem. Even if they gave me a whole new Tradeline board Im not gonna run the risk of wasting a day installing another one of these bloody things (I can do a split load in 1 and 1/2 hours on a good day but this board is an absolute mare to replace and will take a full day)

So if I do end up replacing it for free with a decent one, its gonna cost me £600 easy in time and money and £150 back from the wholesaler wont really ease the pain too much.

I usually go wylex (high integrity) and never had any problems but the RCBO board with 15 breakers was quoted about £500 or summin silly at the time.
 
Surely all equiptment sold in the UK has to be our standards,so if anything is faulty you can take it back to where you bought it within 12months and get a free replacement,i usually fit wylex/mem/hager but there are some british general boards on offer at the wholsalers,anyone had any probs with these if so i will steer clear.

OP said the CU was 18mths old when it went u in smoke mate , out of warranty.
 
The worst thing is I only got the cheap board to save the guy money, only made about £40 profit on the part. He has a fairly modest house, then I find out he owns an events company that last year handled the popes visit and this year the running of the bloody olympic torch. Halfway through the absolute nightmare of a board change he sais to me "this is a good make isn't it? I only want top of the range stuff" I could hardly undo it all and go out and get another one, wouldn't of been any juice on till midnight. Oh well, you live and learn.
 
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Thats a right PIA there Dave.

In all honesty, this isnt going to go away, therefore, get a Wylex or whatever CU and replace it.

What you do not need is (god forbid) a fire in the house.

That will cost you more than £600 if it ever happened.

Good luck and keep us posted.
 
It might be worth approaching the customer and trying to make an arrangement with them. If you explain that the board with it's chequered past is not up to your personal standards of reliability and even though it's out of warranty you'd like to replace it....... apart from the cost. Maybe suggest they chip in the price difference between the cheap board and a good board or even possibly 50% of the cost price of a new board and you'll foot the remaining cost and the labour. The customer did save money on the original install by having a cheap board installed so if they're decent they may be happy to pay in something to prevent future problems.
 
It might be worth approaching the customer and trying to make an arrangement with them. If you explain that the board with it's chequered past is not up to your personal standards of reliability and even though it's out of warranty you'd like to replace it....... apart from the cost. Maybe suggest they chip in the price difference between the cheap board and a good board or even possibly 50% of the cost price of a new board and you'll foot the remaining cost and the labour. The customer did save money on the original install by having a cheap board installed so if they're decent they may be happy to pay in something to prevent future problems.

The guys absolutely loaded. Im sure the only reason hes not offering to pay me to redo it all now is out of politeness. Problem is, Im working 50-60 hours a week at the mo just trying to keep on top of my current work so haven't really got time.
Good idea though, I'll probably come to some sort of arrangement like this with him when I get the chance
 
Tha nere got rich by bein generous lad. I’m a Derbyshire lad.

He wanted the cheap board fitted so charge as appropriate to change it. Being a nice chap doesn’t come into it.
 

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