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Hello folks, rookie spark still at night school here, took me a while to find a full time job in it but I did in November. I love the work, I do not love how my boss treats us though, maybe its me being soft or expecting too much?
I earn £50 a day, my working day supposed to be 9-5. however typically our boss turns up after sleeping most of the day at around 4pm and expects us to stay till sometimes 8-9pm unpaid, usually to achieve nothing. He expects unpaid overtime as part of the huge favour he has done us by employing us, this is how he sees it. I understand and would obviously work late or extra should it be an emergency or simply if the job is almost finished, usually though he makes us stay out of being a control freak.
If you ever moan or question him, his answer is "well if you dont like it f*ck off plenty of people want this job"
I also have been roped into using my own car a lot recently, last week I did almost 200 miles in it, and he wouldnt give me a penny for it.
My other responsability is also now to type up and complete inspection reports and emails in my own time, as well as fire alarm inspection reports weekly in my own time.
One day a week we test a large number of premises fire alarms, every month we are expected to complete more and more premises, for no extra money and in the same time, this means starting sometimes at 7:30am and not finishing till 6pm, and the list grows.
I am paid through BACS and recieve payslips for the majority of my wage, so it is my understanding as an employee I have an implied contract after X amount of months.
I am in no position to argue or make demands as I struggled to find anyone who would take me on as a trainee, however the costs involved in working for this guy are mounting up, and its frustrating not knowing what time I will be home, for no other reason than laziness and poor organisation.
Oh, another major gripe is my continued exposure to asbestos, which he basically laughs of, I have drilled AIB numerous times without being informed of its existence on site, and last week was working semi-directly on high grade ancient flaking damaged exposed pipe joint asbestos. We have no PPE or training and when I complain he says get over it!???
Do any experienced sparks or managers think Im being unreasonable and should be grateful? Or do others think as I do that it isnt the 1920s anymore?
 
Hello folks, rookie spark still at night school here, took me a while to find a full time job in it but I did in November. I love the work, I do not love how my boss treats us though, maybe its me being soft or expecting too much?
I earn £50 a day, my working day supposed to be 9-5. however typically our boss turns up after sleeping most of the day at around 4pm and expects us to stay till sometimes 8-9pm unpaid, usually to achieve nothing. He expects unpaid overtime as part of the huge favour he has done us by employing us, this is how he sees it. I understand and would obviously work late or extra should it be an emergency or simply if the job is almost finished, usually though he makes us stay out of being a control freak.
If you ever moan or question him, his answer is "well if you dont like it f*ck off plenty of people want this job"
I also have been roped into using my own car a lot recently, last week I did almost 200 miles in it, and he wouldnt give me a penny for it.
My other responsability is also now to type up and complete inspection reports and emails in my own time, as well as fire alarm inspection reports weekly in my own time.
One day a week we test a large number of premises fire alarms, every month we are expected to complete more and more premises, for no extra money and in the same time, this means starting sometimes at 7:30am and not finishing till 6pm, and the list grows.
I am paid through BACS and recieve payslips for the majority of my wage, so it is my understanding as an employee I have an implied contract after X amount of months.
I am in no position to argue or make demands as I struggled to find anyone who would take me on as a trainee, however the costs involved in working for this guy are mounting up, and its frustrating not knowing what time I will be home, for no other reason than laziness and poor organisation.
Oh, another major gripe is my continued exposure to asbestos, which he basically laughs of, I have drilled AIB numerous times without being informed of its existence on site, and last week was working semi-directly on high grade ancient flaking damaged exposed pipe joint asbestos. We have no PPE or training and when I complain he says get over it!???
Do any experienced sparks or managers think Im being unreasonable and should be grateful? Or do others think as I do that it isnt the 1920s anymore?

regarding the asbestos, I would phone the H&E executive and let them visit site, that will sort it all out, as for the way you are treated, then yes I agree it's bad treatment and you are right to be concerned, I will let the guys here also comment and not say any more at this stage.
 
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Get writing up your c.v. look for another job and when you find one give that ****** a headbut and a kick in the bollox.
 
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This has got to be a wind up right ?

£50 a day and expected unpaid overtime, including no money for mileage ? What do you get for your christmas bonus, and kick in the ******** and a crap sandwich ?

I think you know you should be looking for another job as soon as possible. If all this is true, your boss is taking the proverbial in a way I have never heard of.
 
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If you need us to tell you when you are being treated like a **** then you deserve your boss, grow a pair.
 
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this guy needs reporting not only for your health but for the safety of others then tell him to jog on, jeez I can't believe what you wrote.
 
I send a CV off every other day to electricians! As I said its hard finding something.
Im glad of the experience, thats where it ends. Id love to tell him to **** off tomorrow, sadly I have bills to pay like most. I complete my level 3 soon, and will be furthering my qualifications after that.
My christmas bonus was a £4 meal in a greasy spoon cafe!
Well anyone in Manchester area wants to hire me, im here.....!
On the subject what advice would you guys give in covering letters and how to approach established sparks for jobs etc?
Ta
 
if you was applying to me, I would send what you wrote here.

one little tip, if you going to drill asbestos at least for your own sake put ppe on, and use some PVA over the drill hole to prevent the fibres becoming airborne.
 
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if you was applying to me, I would send what you wrote here.

one little tip, if you going to drill asbestos at least for your own sake put ppe on, and use some PVA over the drill hole to prevent the fibres becoming airborne.

I'd highly recommend not drilling aib under any circumstance as the fibre release is massive. Asbestos cement and textured coatings are the only asbestos you can drill by doing one of those pants 1 day awareness courses.
 
Totally agree dude - but if this guy is gunna do it, he may as well try to protect himself a little.
 
I think in your position I'd be having a talk to the rest of the guys you work with to find their opinions. If you all act as one and refuse to do the extra what's he going to do, sack you all? He needs you lot just as much (if not more) than you all need the crap he is feeding you.
As far as the unpaid mileage goes you can claim for the difference in what he pays you (nowt at present) and 45p per mile from HMRC. I think I'd be throwing a spanner in the works, when he's told you to drive to X tomorrow go in to the office/workshop (whatever) and tell him your car wouldn't start/got stolen last night/had to go for an MOT. Anything at all to make him realise that he can't just screw you around.
The asbestos thing is a joke, he's breaking the law and as one of the guys says above the HSE would take a very dim view of this. Does he have employer's liability insurance? If he has such a cavalier attitude to your health and safety I wonder what other rules he thinks don't apply to him.
 
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Sorry to seem harsh with you but you guys working all the hours under the sun for a pittance are helping your scummy boss undercut good honest guys who would pay you a fair wage, you will get qualified in the end and join an industry that has rock bottom prices because of yourselves. Trev was correct in what he said you boys need to stick together and sort this or keep getting your £4.10 an hour minus tax and fuel etc etc. On another note if you lived in Dorset I would employ you as I understand how much you want to be a spark.
 
I also have been roped into using my own car a lot recently, last week I did almost 200 miles in it, and he wouldnt give me a penny for it.

Be careful about this. If your car insurance is not for using your car for work and you have a crash and you tell them you were using it for work then you are buggered....

If this post is real then I feel for you. You need the money to pay for the bills so you need the job, but as long as you lie back while your boss walks over you then he will carry on doing so. If anything, the more you go along with it the more he will take advantage of you all.
I wouldn't put it past him that if you all took a stand against him he might sack you all and just employ new people. Taking someone like this to court for 'wrongful dismissal' is nothing to these people. My missus old boss had 12 people trying to do this... He just make excuses and the court dates were changed....
 
Your boss belongs in gaol frankly.
 
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stop taking your car to work for starters, lie, tell him its broke, anything. Apply for every job you see in the paper, hear about at the pub, write to every spark in the yellow pages. Once you do get a new job, give him the finger quickly followed by your forehead through his nose. Just my opinion though...
 
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stop taking your car to work for starters, lie, tell him its broke, anything. Apply for every job you see in the paper, hear about at the pub, write to every spark in the yellow pages. Once you do get a new job, give him the finger quickly followed by your forehead through his nose. Just my opinion though...
I like the scottish way best
 
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Be careful with the asbestos thing mate, if it is you that is drilling it then it is you that will get the brunt from the HSE.............with the experience that you are getting you should find another job easier to come by now I would have thought.
 
Im from Yorkshire yer all wimps lol when i was 17 my then boss punched me had me working 70hrs a week on a 27.50wage JIB scheme rate then 20yrs later when he had me paying his mortgage still and 19 yrs after he saw the respect for me and treated me ok he kicked off again tried hitting me and missed .... i lamped him walked out and set up on my own taking all his industrial as he couldn't do it and no-one else in the company could he didn't have a legal leg to stand on.....

So if you want to wait 20yrs like i did to get payback or do the sensible thing and find another job accept it then drop him deep in the doo doo when the time is right .... make sure he knows that you owe him no favours for him been a w......r of a boss and a eye opener to the knobs out there.
 
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The sad fact is there is many of these small pie and bean companies being run like this and they all have a revolving door of sparks that work for them,it is time to move on.
 
Im from Yorkshire yer all wimps lol when i was 17 my then boss punched me had me working 70hrs a week on a 27.50wage JIB scheme rate then 20yrs later when he had me paying his mortgage still and 19 yrs after he saw the respect for me and treated me ok he kicked off again tried hitting me and missed .... i lamped him walked out and set up on my own taking all his industrial as he couldn't do it and no-one else in the company could he didn't have a legal leg to stand on.....

So if you want to wait 20yrs like i did to get payback or do the sensible thing and find another job accept it then drop him deep in the doo doo when the time is right .... make sure he knows that you owe him no favours for him been a w......r of a boss and a eye opener to the knobs out there.
£27.50PW, I remember those days, my boss had me washing his van in the snow, whipping me with cable ends and just generally treating me like a skivvy. I stuck it out and left after my apprenticeship finished, went contracting, and the rest is history as they say. To be honest apart from the beatings it made me appreciate hard work and just getting on with it.
 
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Send me all his details and what he's being make you do, and I'll report him.

report him.. is that a euphemism for 'add him to the foundations of a building'
 
48 hours a week? Thats part time!

I work for an equally **** company although i am in more than minimum wage which i should be ( and am) grateful for.

Im the only engineer (and not a hugely experienced/knowlegeable one at that) and im keeping 3 managers going. Figure that one out. Instead of jumping ship and burning bridges ive been setting up my own company. I usually leave work at 6pm then go to my own jobs till 10 then homeward bound to do the paper work. Up at 6am and repeat 6/7 days a week. The other month i did 36days solid haha

Its a killer. If i wasn't setting up on my own i would of tried to get another job however i just don't see myself being very employable. Sure ive got my level 3 17th etc. But technically ive never worked for an electrical firm!

Best of luck to you matey. If i could go back 6 years to when i got that job i would of conducted myself very differently. Knock it on the head as soon as you can before you become number one workbitch.
 
Hahaha...I was thinking more along the likes of Blackpool!

@ OP, this :-------: can't make you work more than 48 hours a week (unless you've agreed to, which I hope you haven't!!!)
He's breaking The Law, see...
The Working Time Regulations 1998

Send me all his details and what he's being make you do, and I'll report him.
(You may guess I despise people like this cretin)
That's an idea, PM the details to me too, I'll pose as an employee who walked off a job as an objection to the disregard for H&S. If a lot of people do it they'll have to take some sort of action against him.
 
nothing has changed much then, worked for a mob in London 33yrs ago yeah long time,just coming out of my time, boss had me running sites,subbies working under me, an paying me peanuts. stick with if you can gain your experience and ticket then do one!!.
 
I don't think he should be sticking with endangering his life due to asbestos. Also, do the extra hours he is making you work bring you below the minimum wage?
 
if you was applying to me, I would send what you wrote here.

one little tip, if you going to drill asbestos at least for your own sake put ppe on, and use some PVA over the drill hole to prevent the fibres becoming airborne.

The other tip is drill slowlyand cover the bit with shaving foam.

The foam holds the fibre and prevents is flying off. I know its sounds odd but its what was recomended at an Asbestos awareness course i was on. Get the cheep stuff from poundstrecher
 
Hahaha...I was thinking more along the likes of Blackpool!

@ OP, this :-------: can't make you work more than 48 hours a week (unless you've agreed to, which I hope you haven't!!!)
He's breaking The Law, see...
The Working Time Regulations 1998

Send me all his details and what he's being make you do, and I'll report him.
(You may guess I despise people like this cretin)

I haven't looked through your link which I'm sure leaves me very open a battering :) but I'm sure with the working time regs there are a couple of flaws. 1. You can opt out and 2. The 48hrs per week is for a rolling 17 week period, you really have to be putting in some hours to fall into that bracket, although it certainly sounds like he maybe doing that. All saying that the OP certainly has a case for unsafe working practices etc regarding the asbestos and there is no doubting his boss is a knob. Good luck with whatever decision you decide on. PS Give Archy his name :)
 
This has got to be a wind up right ?

£50 a day and expected unpaid overtime, including no money for mileage ? What do you get for your christmas bonus, and kick in the ******** and a crap sandwich ?

I think you know you should be looking for another job as soon as possible. If all this is true, your boss is taking the proverbial in a way I have never heard of.


As his boss is called Ebenezeer Scrooge now't as he will expected to work christmas day for nothing.
 
The other tip is drill slowlyand cover the bit with shaving foam.

The foam holds the fibre and prevents is flying off. I know its sounds odd but its what was recomended at an Asbestos awareness course i was on. Get the cheep stuff from poundstrecher

I don't think I'll be using this tip anytime soon! Was it an approved asbestos awareness course?
 
well i have loged this post so in future when i employ someone i can offer them £55.00 per day and think themselves lucky.
i mean what a cheek! at 12 hours pday its nearly a fiver an hour! some of these youngsters don't know how lucky they are! in my day i didn't have monney to spend on fancy cars, it was the push bike or my legs.
your employer is probably trying to make up for all the cable your taking home?
a car indeed!
 
i mean what a cheek! at 12 hours pday its nearly a fiver an hour!

Which is also against the law (depending on age). If indeed it is 12 hours per day and Stg £50 per day then that works out at under £4.17 per hour which is unlawful for anyone not under the age of 18.
 
that's another thing employing say a 12 year old works out alot cheaper and you don't have to pay the minimum wage. usually a pack of smokes and some beer is more than enough.plus the kids these days are huge.
 

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