ExArmy

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had a call out, old lady said some sockets had stopped working since a power failure. so i went round, checked fuse, checked the board all ok, started testing at sockets with a plug in tester and it was showing up some ok and some had no neutral, then on about the 2nd or 3rd one with no neutral as i plugged it in it started flickering and the other half of the kitchen sudeenly powered up(washer/drier/microwave etc all beeped). so i knocked the power off, inspected the back of the socket neutrals slack as **** and had been arcing which had got hot and made the insulation brittle about 1.5" up, so i cleaned them up, fitted some sleeving and put the socket back on. then tested the rest of the radial and it was all fine.
now heres the problem, what sort of paperwork do i do for this? all i've done is correctly refit a double socket, i havent installed any cables. it can either go two ways, open a can of worms (no RCD, no bonding, house basically needs a rewire) and start doing paperwork, or just forget it as the job was 5 minutes away and took 15 minutes. and i havent done either yet, i said i'd be in touch with an invoice...
so what would you do?
 
Personally, I would have just done it & said nowt.

I'm fed up to the back teeth of all this red tape & rules & regulations in one form or another that have been inflicted on everyone from every walk of life in this once great country by tin-pot dictators, liars, cheats & thieves that infest the corridors of power and are collectively known as The Government.

WHEN are we going to grow a pair & take OUR country back??
 
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Next we'll be filling out paperwork once we've changed the batteries in out MFTs.:wink5:

I'm surprised we aren't already !!!

It's all about control - we're on CCTV every time we go to the shops. We drive down the motorway & the automatic number plate recognition cameras are monitoring us over every mile, we ride on public transport & we're on video again, we want to do a day's work in our chosen profession & we need to be assessed, certified & our wallets emptied for the bit of paper we need to have to do the job. We have to notify LABC if we fart in a kitchen - then we have HMRC on the case .... the list is endless.

One good thing about being the age that I am is that I won't have to be under the jackboot for much longer.
 
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If you feel you've left the installation safer than it was before then I'd have just said nothing. Although I would have a quick check of bonding etc and if not up to spec then let her know, she's more than able to get various quotes for herself or her family is.
 
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This would be classed as maintenance.
As such it is not notifiable.
From the Approved Document:

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[TD="bgcolor: transparent"] b. Replacement, repair and maintenance jobs are generally not notifiable, even if carried out in a kitchen or special location or associated
with a special installation.

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The term you are looking for is grandadded in in other words it was installed to the standard of the day. As for RCD protection why would you be thinking of that remember if you EICR a 3036 CU in a property and it passes then thats it you cannot say sorry I am going to have to switch your power off because you do not have RCD protection (British Gas we aint).
I do work for letting agents and see a lot of this so my approach is find the fault and change the socket plus I have altered nothing as I see this as repair and maintenance issue also take a Zs at the socket as this tells me the socket has a good earth and so has the property

Yes with regards to the comments below I log the Zs on the invoice plus its a good test as on one property it led me to find that there was no earth for the past 20 years (16mm main earth was coiled up as there was no connection at the head when they fitted a mem RCD board)
 
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I would note the Zs value, taken at the socket, on my invoice.

Can't stand all this completely unnecessary paperwork.
 
same comments from me. our parents/granparents went to war to stop hitler. for some unknown reason, even though he's dead, there are thousands of the buggers in government, local government, HSE. what happened. did old adolph donate to a sperm bank before he topped himself?
 
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This would be classed as maintenance.
As such it is not notifiable.
From the Approved Document:

[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]

[TD="bgcolor: transparent"] b. Replacement, repair and maintenance jobs are generally not notifiable, even if carried out in a kitchen or special location or associated
with a special installation.
[/TD]

[/TD]

thanks thats exactly what i was looking for. went back with invoice, got paid, advised her of the upgrades required to bring it up to the 17th,she said she knows it's due a rewire and we left it a that
 
It took me two years to convince my friends and neighbours to have a rewire it was so bad I refused point blank to touch it until it was rewired, the VIR was so bad you only had to shout at it and it fell apart, thankfully all done now

J
 
You simply got an existing installation working again.... You didn't alter anything in any way so there is absolutely nothing to record.
If you feel that the installation needed improving then by all means tell the customer.
 

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