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PiousJim

Hi guys & gals.

This is my second post I should have done this first, sorry and here goes.

I was born in Glasgow, I'm aged 34, living in Manchester with my wife and 2 children. I always loved working with my hands and due to bad guidance and choices as a kid I never pursued what I was good at and enjoyed. However in 2011, after a few tough years at college (become a dad for the second time) I successfully complete and passed the 2330 & 17th Edititon.

Once completed the above course, and still with the fear of not earning and feeding my young family I continued to work in a non construction industry (technical support for a computer company). I did loads of work in the evening, weekend and holidays doing new installs, additions to existing installs and full rewires.

Things didn't work out at work so in the begining of 2014 I gladly handed in my notice and decided I should persue the career I enjoy. I am very critical of myself and believe if it's not high standard then it's not standard (if that makes any sence).

I did work for several people who promised to help me with experience and help me build on my knowledge. As I would expect I would be working for peanuts and expected to do all the work.

To be honest I was grateful for the oppertunity and waking up in the morning excited to go to work was a great feeling that it felt was worth sacraficing the money.

I was always promised the low pay is only for the trial period 3 to 6 months, depending on who was employing me.

My last experience was no different to the others, things would always start good, the boss would always say I like your work don't worry I will be putting up your wages soon, etc, until eventually you realise your only being used.

Even then I was OK as long as they helped me to progress, until I would be told we can't take photos, customers won't like it, or you don't need an NVQ, etc.

Then they would employ another person, my pay rise and promises would stop, work ethics would go out the window (Profit over everything), my boss start humiliating me in front of other workers (friends of his).

So I had to make the disicion to go at it on my own. Took out a loan to buy a van, ladders, tools etc.

I am currently trying to raise the money to join Napit, Niceic or any others (not yet decided on which one).

The fella at Napit did mentioned they will be doing the NVQ LEVEL 3 which I will sign up for (so might sign up with them to self cert) .

Thank you for taking the time to read this thread. Any advice for this new start would be greatly appreciated.

Pious Jim
 
Welcome to the forum.
Good luck with your new venture.
If you are short of money and looking to get registered on self certification then Stroma is the cheapest option at the moment.
It is generally considered that the Napit courses are only applicable to napit, so it is worth checking the true validity of of this NVQ3 to make sure it is a worthwhile qualification and not just the minimum napit will accept.

Make sure you have all the required legal cover (public liability insurance) and that you have informed HMRC.

Get your name out there and get the jobs coming in (and the money!)
 
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Thanks for the reply Richard. I need to look into Storma.

Registered Self - employed with hmrc.

I believe Napit are trying to get a feel for potential numbers, they say they will inform me if it's going ahead.

For insurance I was thinking of trade direct insurance as the where quite reasonable.
 
Welcome to the forum Jim. Dose your van insurance company also do PLI? They normally give a discount, worth giving them a call.
 
Hi Paul thanks for your reply. I'm with One Insurance Solutions never thought of asking them.

Got a few calls to make I'll add them to the list.
 
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Has anyone been to any Amendment 3 seminars? Would you recommendations them or is a small course better?
I'm not to sure what's the best way to get updated.
 
Has anyone been to any Amendment 3 seminars? Would you recommendations them or is a small course better?
I'm not to sure what's the best way to get updated.

The Elex show in Manchester is on in 2 weeks time, the scams give talks about the amendments for free.
 
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Hi guys just wanted to update you all.

Stroma are sending me out info and forms. Going to go with them.

Van insurance company can't beat trade direct insurance for Public liability.

Registered for Elex show.

I'm feeling positive thanks to you both (Richard and Paul), I am very grateful to you both.

Before joining the electrician forums there hasen't been many who would or could help.

I hope I get the oppertunity to repay you both.

Thanks again guys
 
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Hi guys just wanted to update you all.

Stroma are sending me out info and forms. Going to go with them.

Van insurance company can't beat trade direct insurance for Public liability.

Registered for Elex show.

I'm feeling positive thanks to you both (Richard and Paul), I am very grateful to you both.

Before joining the electrician forums there hasen't been many who would or could help.

I hope I get the oppertunity to repay you both.

Thanks again guys

just get out there. do a good job to the regs. don't cut corners. earn loads of moola. that's repayment for anyone here.
 
Thanks for the kind words Telectrix.

I'll be keeping my regs with me wherever I go.

I believe if you're going to do the job do it properly or don't do it at all and I want to be more than good at my job (without the ego) . I hope I can pass this trade onto my son or daughter. So Corner cutting is prohibited in my book.

Thanks again for the kind words and advice.

I sincerely mean it I am grateful to all of you. I have been feeling down since I left my last boss and you guys have lift my spirits. Love & respect to all of u
 
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welcome, have you finished your level3 or is the profile old?

are you working towards it or?
 
Hi Shanky. When we complete level 2 the college was trying to sign us up for level 3. At the time we were not happy with the service from the college (it felt like they just took our money and forgot about us). Don't get me wrong first year was great but second year they changed the teachers.

Anyway it felt like we were just getting a sales pitch. So a few of us rang around and asked other tutors. We were told we didn't need level 3 unless we were planning to join a construction firm, and that level 3 was regarding of level 2. Someone had friends on level 3 who was telling us it was a want of time. Some of the guys called Napit who said something similar. At the time we didn't know who to call or who to ask, who was being genuine and not.

To be honest I'm happy to pay and go through the graft for something that will contribute towards my progression. I've just found every body wants money from you because "you need to have this" only to find out you don't or it doesn't meet the level you would expect.

I am trying to organise my NVQ in between.
 
Hi Shanky. When we complete level 2 the college was trying to sign us up for level 3. At the time we were not happy with the service from the college (it felt like they just took our money and forgot about us). Don't get me wrong first year was great but second year they changed the teachers.

Anyway it felt like we were just getting a sales pitch. So a few of us rang around and asked other tutors. We were told we didn't need level 3 unless we were planning to join a construction firm, and that level 3 was regarding of level 2. Someone had friends on level 3 who was telling us it was a want of time. Some of the guys called Napit who said something similar. At the time we didn't know who to call or who to ask, who was being genuine and not.

To be honest I'm happy to pay and go through the graft for something that will contribute towards my progression. I've just found every body wants money from you because "you need to have this" only to find out you don't or it doesn't meet the level you would expect.

I am trying to organise my NVQ in between.
to be honest if you do the level3 you wont have to do that part when you do the nvq.

if you dont do it before you will have to do the level3 under the 2357 course code before they will let you start the logbook
 
Ah I'm lost again lol. Just been digging around, I might have the wrong end of the stick.

I think I need level 3 to do the NVQ according to

https://www.ableskills.co.uk/electrical-courses/nvq-level-3-electrical-qualification/

Do I need to do this before I can trade? The reason I ask, I'm try to sell my car (for few weeks) I should get enough to pay Stroma, PLI and a megger MFT1720.

I need to raise the cash for the level 3 and the NVQ.

Do you think I should sign up for Stroma then go for level 3 then 2357?
 
Ah I'm lost again lol. Just been digging around, I might have the wrong end of the stick.

I think I need level 3 to do the NVQ according to

https://www.ableskills.co.uk/electrical-courses/nvq-level-3-electrical-qualification/

Do I need to do this before I can trade? The reason I ask, I'm try to sell my car (for few weeks) I should get enough to pay Stroma, PLI and a megger MFT1720.

I need to raise the cash for the level 3 and the NVQ.

Do you think I should sign up for Stroma then go for level 3 then 2357?
no, don't buy the tester yet it will be a waste of time, dont forget it will need calibrating yearly etc.

at the moment you haven't got any qualifications to prove testing competency, a lot of insurers are asking for 2391/2392/2394/2395 etc so i dont think they would accept a level2 quailfication.

you can test your own work but i doubt they would let you test others work
 
Ah okay that's fine i only want to test my own work in the mean time.

I don't want to sell my Services as a tester for a couple of years, so I would have time to save up.

I think I'll get my PLI then join Storma, will I not need the megger for my own work and calibrating certification is prerequsite for stroma.

Then I should raise the cash to do 2330 level 3 then 2357 nvq

Then (in a couple of years) one of the following 2391 / 2 / 4 or 5.

In your opinion do you think this is the best way (not looking for the cheapest, I want) to become high standard?
 
Hi guys can anyone confirm in their opinion if the above steps would be a good route to take to develop myself?
 
The 2330 has been changed to the 2365 and YES do your Level 3 then NVQ3.

2391 has changed to 2394/2395
 
Thanks Paul.

My plan of action.
1. Get Public liability insurance (2m at least)
2. Join Stroma
3. Work as electrician and self cert.
4. Save money
5. Do 2365 level 3
6. Do NVQ Level 3
7. Get JIB card
8. Do 2394/5
9. Work as Electrician, tester and inspector.

I'll check with the college I attended if there do the 2365 level 3.


Can anyone recommend anywhere else (reputable) near Manchester, as a back up?
 
Thanks for the kind words Telectrix.

I'll be keeping my regs with me wherever I go.

I believe if you're going to do the job do it properly or don't do it at all and I want to be more than good at my job (without the ego) . I hope I can pass this trade onto my son or daughter. So Corner cutting is prohibited in my book.

Thanks again for the kind words and advice.

I sincerely mean it I am grateful to all of you. I have been feeling down since I left my last boss and you guys have lift my spirits. Love & respect to all of u

Welcome...
The regs and guides are on-line. I managed to get them on my phone yesterday although I don't think it's supported.
 
Nice one Zap, gonna check them out. The file must be huge.

I'm kinda old school I like paper, and gardening I'll plant trees to make up for the paper.

But still a good backup having it on your phone.
 
What I like about them is the search capability. You enter a search term and it'll quickly presents a list of links/answers and the books that they appear in. Click on the most relevant link and whoosh there it is!
Incidentally, I'm yet to find a search feature on the off-line content. However, I can use the on-line version provided I've got a data signal.
 
Going forward
My plan of action is
1. Get Public liability insurance (£2m at least)
2. Buy Megger MFT1720 or MFT1730 and Join Stroma
3. Work as electrician and self cert.
4. Save money
5. Do 2365 level 3
6. Do NVQ Level 3
7. Get JIB card
8. Do 2394/5
9. Work as Electrician, tester and inspector.

Does this sound right? Or is this overkill or not enough?

Can anyone recommend anywhere (reputable) near Manchester, where I can do 2365 level 3?
 
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1 and 2 are OK if you have the money.
You are somewhat short on training for number 3 but your approach should cover most of the shortfall and generally better than many.
Number 4 will be hard to do for some time as the business grows!
5-8 sound like a reasonable plan, depending on why you need the JIB card it may be cheaper to wait until you have done 2394/5 and so get an approved card.
9 may be advisable to get professional indemnity insurance as you will be giving your professional opinion.

It will take time and plans rarely go according to plan but it is best to at least know where the original rails are before you go off them.:smile5:
 
Thanks Richard.
You say I'm short on training for number 3, is there anything you would recommend I need to do?

Does it mean I can't work until I get this additional training?

I was under the impression I need no 2 to inform authorities of works I've carried out. I thought notifying was a legal requirement?

I will be doing 5,6 and 8 going forward.

To be honest I wanted the JIB card as a badge of honour to prove my level of competence (to myself I'm not an ego type) and also if all fails I can use it to work for a big company.

I will definitely invest in insurance when I get to number 9. Not yet ill give it a year or so before I go for number 9.
 
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Notification is a legal requirement, and scheme registration is the cheapest way to go about it. I was merely saying the you need to be able to pay for all this and make sure you have enough money.
You can start work with your level of training and there are many who start work with much less training and since you have a good approach you should be OK, do not try and tackle anything you are not comfortable with. As you are progressing your training this is all you need to do.
It will take some time to complete the NVQ3 so no rush for things after that.
 

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