One off rewire / Part P

[The_Wanderer]

I am not Part P registered as i work in commercial environment doing testing and inspections and currently our firms Qualifying Manager. But i am time served electrician, trained with Electricity Board as was and been qualified and experienced for 20+ years. I have a gold ECIS card as Approved Electrician. Now i know all this makes no odds whatsoever on the Part P malarky, but need your expert advice.

I dont do domestic work or certainly not since Part P arrived, but my brother has just bought his first house on a shoestring budget that needs some work! When i say shoestring i really mean no chance of paying a contractor! So muggins here volunteered to rewire the house for him etc at no cost family and all that (well he'll owe me! haha) but stupidly i agreed all this before i actually remembered Part P..!

So, whats my best option and how do i go about it? I dont mind getting registered for Part P, but what does it involve? I dont run my own business or have any previous jobs to assess and whats the cost or time scale to get on a scheme? OR is it easy to just get another sparky or firm to do the cert when i finish or is that a no-no? And final option, is the council inspect my work etc after, but no idea what that costs or where to start? Had a look at building control pages on site and totally confused, it lists several prices some for competent and some for non-competent. But not even sure which i am, well i know im competent of course, but in the "terms" am i? Daft really when my job is inspecting installations myself far more complicated than a 4bed house!

Appreciate advice here?

 

[chopper76]

If you can prove to the LABC that your suitably qualified, you can get a planning consent to do the work (approx £200 round here), that then includes a sparky the check the work on first and second fix, then they will accept a relevant 17th cert from you, However different LABCs do have different systems in place

 

[Octopus]

If you contact LABC they may accept your qualifications..... or they may not!

 

[PEM]

Choices are as follows:-

1. Register with NICEIC or similar but will cost you £300+ and you'll need to be trading and have projects to get full scope registration.

2. Submit Building Regs application to the LA and get them to supervise approve the work. Probably £200 plus.

3. Get a Part P reg Electrician to sign of your work if you can.

4. Ignore the above and go ahead. Not an option!!!

Regards

 

[The_Wanderer]

Thanks, Wont be a qualifications problem i am sure.
Seems like LABC is best route, just wish i could understand there darn website. No idea which form etc, so confusing

 

[chopper76]

But strictly speaking your not allowed to get another firm to sign off your work on a part p basis, however people do, most firms won't do it because it leaves them legally responsible for other people's work, but it could slip you through the net

 

[chopper76]

Thanks, Wont be a qualifications problem i am sure.
Seems like LABC is best route, just wish i could understand there darn website. No idea which form etc, so confusing

Go n have a chat with an inspector face to face, you get better and more helpful advice about there systems in place

 

[trev]

If your company is registered with one of the bodies you may find that they did the work.....nudge nudge wink wink.

 

[Jay Sparks]

Do the rewire and get a another electrician to do an EICR. This will usually satisfy the LABC. Thats what they tell folk to do if there "electrician" has done a runner without leaving the certs. Not the right though but its cheaper than paying LABC and its not as if your not qualified. Just out of interest....could you not fill out an EIC and slip it through the firm you work for, without them knowing?????

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Too quick for me trev..lol

 

[The_Wanderer]

Sadly a guy did an EICR on the companies amtech last year and he got fired..! eek
Not sure we Part P registered as never seen any domestic work, although we do certify pubs sometimes, not often.?

 

[trev]

If you're NICEIC AC then the company will be able to notify, if you ask the boss what's the worst he can say? He's not going to fire you just for asking.

 

[Guest111]

From what I,ve seen lately I,d just get on with it and sod part p,put it this way if I do any work on my house it,s gonna be a case of "part what?". Since I retired I,ve seen so much crap work by so called part p sparks it,s unreal,examples are as follows.
Cables not run in safe zones,
terminal block used on lights and pushed into ceiling void,
taped joints on cables,
cables not clipped in lofts,
joint boxes under chipboard floors and therefore innaccesible,
no sleeving on earths,
no grommets on back boxes.
The list goes on,incidentally a lot of these were on diy programmes that spout on about the importance about using a registered spark.
The best one was my sons council house where the cu was labelled up incorrectly.
if this is the standard of work carried out by so called registered sparks the I for one am glad I,m out of it.

 

[power ranger]

New Part P rules means that you should be able to get a registered third Party sparks to complete an EICR and notify the job through building control.

Its all here on the planning portal part p http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/uploads/br/BR_PDF_AD_P_2013.pdf look at page 9.

So the next question - do you know any Part P sparks who will do this for you to save you money on LABC fees?

 

[Richard Burns]

New Part P rules means that you should be able to get a registered third Party sparks to complete an EICR and notify the job through building control.

Its all here on the planning portal part p http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/uploads/br/BR_PDF_AD_P_2013.pdf look at page 9.

So the next question - do you know any Part P sparks who will do this for you to save you money on LABC fees?

There are no third party registration schemes in place at the moment so that would not be an available or legal option.

The talk to the right people at your LABC and explain your competence and that you will supply the EIC for the work, they (may) be nice and accept this.

 

[telectrix]

hmmmm. you could install it and then do an EICR. you don't need to be registered with a part p scheme to do EICRs.

 

[chopper76]

New Part P rules means that you should be able to get a registered third Party sparks to complete an EICR and notify the job through building control.

Its all here on the planning portal part p http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/uploads/br/BR_PDF_AD_P_2013.pdf look at page 9.



So the next question - do you know any Part P sparks who will do this for you to save you money on LABC fees?

You can't do this that moment because its a "self certification scheme", and when you register said installation you pay over an insurance backed warranty fee on the work carried out, The cert company will not underwrite repairs to work done by any Tom dick n Harry you wrote a certificate for

 

[stuartcourt]

Wire away my man and then cert it yourself, you will not have a problem as will not come under build regs and I expect your bro will be there years and if he does move will be asked for a EICR and you will give him one, job done (this is what I am thinking btw not what I would do)

 

[The_Wanderer]

Wire away my man and then cert it yourself, you will not have a problem as will not come under build regs and I expect your bro will be there years and if he does move will be asked for a EICR and you will give him one, job done (this is what I am thinking btw not what I would do)

Really? I have been tempted to just get on with it and do a Completion Cert ? Bad move?

 

[telectrix]

ain't you started yet?

 

[stuartcourt]

yes get on with it you do not need a scheme to tell you what you already know. Its your brothers house so not like an unsuspecting customer.

 

[Pondy]

Where are you based?

 

[trev]

Where are you based?

Don't tell him you're in East Sussex Wanderer, he's a grass for the notification police

 

[The_Wanderer]

I am in east sussex yes, but the house isn't !
So are guys having a laugh? Or shall i just forgot part p and get on with it?

 

[Sparkie30]

So are guys having a laugh? Or shall i just forgot part p and get on with it?

I would forget the part pee shiite mate. Im looking to buy a house and as soon as im in im cracking on with the work. Funk part p and labc.

 

[The_Wanderer]

I would forget the part pee shiite mate. Im looking to buy a house and as soon as im in im cracking on with the work. Funk part p and labc.

My own home i agree, but dont want any issues for Brother if a council bod comes knocking etc, or if he sells it in 4-5yrs time?

 

[The_Wanderer]

Also if it makes any difference, the DNO will probably be involved at some point as the cut-out and meter is from the dark ages and no earthing or PME, so they have been contacted about PME being supplied (really dont want to play with earth electrodes!)

 

[Sparkie30]

My own home i agree, but dont want any issues for Brother if a council bod comes knocking etc, or if he sells it in 4-5yrs time?

I read somewhere (this forum i believe) a sparkie did the work took the money and did a runner without supplying EIC so he contacted LABC all they said apply online (£180) we will send out a sparkie to check the installation. job done.

What will they say to your brother nowt mate? all he needs to says is i paid the sparkie to inform the LABC and carry out the work.

Customer dont know what work is notifiable and what work isnt.

 

[stuartcourt]

half the sparks on here are not with a scam as we call them because they dont need to be (commercial etc) and I think we all agree that it would be an insult to them to have to get their work signed off by someone but you are your own man so time to make a choice and crack on

 

[The_Wanderer]

Yea might just get on with it..... /gulp

 

[Sparkie30]

Yea might just get on with it..... /gulp

that job is going to eat a lot of time with the speed you going lol

Take care

 

[Octopus]

Yea might just get on with it..... /gulp

Why dn't you contact LABC, talk them through YOUR qualifications and do the right thing?

 

[Outspoken]

Just do the flipping Job, your more than qualified, which is more than can be said for the bulk of so called part P sparks (who are Electrical Trainee's or kitchen fitters) and do a completion cert. There is nothing to stop your brother calling in a company in about 6 months and asking them to do a full T&I and then you have the NICEIC cert should it be needed...

The Part P rules stopping suitably qualified sparks from working in their or family home is ludicrous.

 

[Silly Sausage]

Why dn't you contact LABC, talk them through YOUR qualifications and do the right thing?

I tried that with Manchester for a CU change, they were totally not interested, it'll be over £300 to send one of our 'Engineers' out to I&T my work! Goodbye Manchester City Council!.

Just do the flipping Job, your more than qualified, which is more than can be said for the bulk of so called part P sparks (who are Electrical Trainee's or kitchen fitters) and do a completion cert. There is nothing to stop your brother calling in a company in about 6 months and asking them to do a full T&I and then you have the NICEIC cert should it be needed...

The Part P rules stopping suitably qualified sparks from working in their or family home is ludicrous.

It's a total joke, isn't it?!?!!

Do the job Wanderer!
He could do the EICR himself 6 months later.

 

[The_Wanderer]

Thanks all, well getting on with tomorrow! As suggested i might just do an EICR in a month or so!
Sorry those that swear by the rules, but its daft for a one of job...

 

[Richard Burns]

Thanks all, well getting on with tomorrow! As suggested i might just do an EICR in a month or so!
Sorry those that swear by the rules, but its daft for a one of job...

Good luck with the job, do remember to do an EIC after completion not just the EICR in a few months time.
One point to note is that if you have done the job safely and it is not queried for one year then after that they cannot get it ripped out, might make someone pay for an inspection though!

 

[stuartcourt]

Agreed with EIC and happy wiring make sure your bro chases out