wiring up a small single 35watts light from the light switch

[DirtyDog368]

Hello Guys,

is there an acceptable safe way to add and wire in a small 35wat light from an existing light switch.

I was thinking to put the light in series but however if I do that, wont that light be taking all the amps that are passing through the light switch. at the moment that switch only powers one light so i dont think it would be that much.

I can not access the loop or make one becuase all i can access is the live and switched live at the light switch.

Any suggestions would be most appreciative.

thanks

Regards#
DD368

 

[londonlec]

then it aint gonna work bud.

 

[HandySparks]

No. Not possible. You need a neutral.

And don't even think of using the earth as a neutral.

 

[Octopus]

Biting my lip.......

 

[Adam W]

You won't be able to do it that way. You'll need to get a neutral from the light. You could however get an additional light added, or get a switch with a neon indicator. Depends why you're trying to do this - there's probably a better alternative.

 

[Octopus]

You won't be able to do it that way. You'll need to get a neutral from the light. You could however get an additional light added, or get a switch with a neon indicator. Depends why you're trying to do this - there's probably a better alternative.

This poster has in the past said they've done CU changes so this should be a walk in the park!

 

[Farmelectrics]

What's the neutral for haha

 

[Farmelectrics]

The best alternitive is to call an electrician were quite good at these things lol

 

[RyanCheetham]

One of those battery powered self adhesive lights with a pullcord should do the trick...

 

[MDJ]

No. Not possible. You need a neutral.

And don't even think of using the earth as a neutral.

LOL, that was exactly what I would have said hehe, I have seen it done, changing the subject slightly, I have lost count of the amount of flex's I have seen on central heating systems where the earth has been used as a live or neutral rather than use a 4 core.

 

[DirtyDog368]

Guys,

let me explain my question again because none of you seem to have understood what i asked.

I can get to the light switch with a length of twin and earth which will lead to the new light. I want to know if it is acceptable to wire it up in SERIES. However because it's in SERIES I am concerned about loading across the light and if i am compromising regulations.

Neutral is basically a return path for electrcicity which i am in effect creating by putting the light in SERIES. So...any suggestions are welcome.

Here's a diagram for those of you who don't know what is meant by Series.

Many thanks again for all your useful contributions.

DD368

 

[DurhamSparky]

good luck....!!

whats your light for... cause is going to be very dim...!!

 

[kathwilcox]

interesting picture!

 

[DirtyDog368]

its only decorative..its not a main light

thanks

 

[Des 56]

You may as well get yourself some of these 110 Volt GLS Bulbs - Site Light

DD There are always ways and means of getting the conductors to their rightful places,your not trying hard enough
Try binning this idea of yours and have another look

 

[DirtyDog368]

PS earth has been omitted

 

[electric will]

Is this real?

 

[HandySparks]

I think we all "got" what you were trying to do.

Neither lamp will have 230V across it. The supply voltage will get divided between them, in a ratio depending on their relative resistances at the resultant current. The only situation where this might stand a chance of working would be if both lamps were identical 110V items.

 

[DirtyDog368]

thanks HS for the good hint.


Regards
DD368

 

[HandySparks]

thanks HS for the good hint.
Regards
DD368

I wasn't really suggesting this as a practical proposition except in very unusual cases (and I can't think of one at present).

 

[kathwilcox]

Think this guys fuse needs pulling before he does some damage!

 

[DirtyDog368]

To all those removed with the sarcastic comments...Up YOURS!

NO one is born with knowledge we all have to go through a learning process. I thought this was the place for advice to help achieve a better standard and working practice but judging by some of your comments clearly not.

DD368

 

[DirtyDog368]

I wasn't really suggesting this as a practical proposition except in very unusual cases (and I can't think of one at present).

and neither was i suggesting I was going to employ that method, I was merely saying you gave good food for thought unlike some others in this thread

 

[DurhamSparky]

DD368

i suggest you get of your high horse and stop been silly!

people have made suggestions but you have clearly not been bthered to listen. what they are telling you is correct you need a neutral to perate the light correctly!

your method of in series will work with very dim lights and you wont achieve any thing other than messing about with good cables.!

NUFF said!

 

[nikmet]

To all those removed with the sarcastic comments...Up YOURS!

NO one is born with knowledge we all have to go through a learning process. I thought this was the place for advice to help achieve a better standard and working practice but judging by some of your comments clearly not.

DD368

you got advice to achieve a better standard, and the advice was........connecting a neutral would produce a much better result than connecting lamps in series

 

[tigerpaul]

Forget about wiring off o the switch, the only way to do this is if the switch is double pole which is switching the neutral too.
You need to take a cable from a ceiling rose,( through another switch if you want it switched separately ) to the new light.
When it's done it wants testing with the appropriate calibrated tester and certifying.
You may like to think you are competent but you know what they say , pride comes before a fall, so have another think about it.

 

[Deservices]

I'm lost for words.

 

[Swicade]

Get some cable,switch and afew lampholders.....screw them to a board and wire up as your suggesting and take note of the result.(like they do in college and what many of us did in Physics at school (when science subjects were split up not all in one lesson like schools now seem to be))

Each lamp (resistive load) you add will become dimmer (as has already been said)...good chance going by your diagram that when the first lamp blows you'll loose supply to other lamps aswell as circuit will be broken.

'I thought this was the place for advice to help achieve a better standard and working practice'....think you'll find many of the sarcastic comments were aimed at helping you to achieve a better standard and working practice, wiring a lighting circuit where one lamp blowing takes out the supply to all other lamps on that circuit is bad pratice.

Thinking of it another way what your suggesting to do is the same way christmas tree lights were done, one lamp blows and you spend hours trying to find the faulty bulb whilst listening to the missus say 'well your a sparks so why cant you find it quicker?'



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[Marvo]

Dirtydog368, you're not going to get advice on how to install a system that's fundamentally flawed and likely to be a hazard. Also foul language isn't tolerated on this forum.