Caught out with new storage heaters...

[-Matt]

During a flat renovation i removed and skipped a very old and battered storage heater and ordered one of the new super expensive (customer nearly had a heart attack) storage heaters, assuming it would go right in place.

Only discovered earlier they need a dual ----ing feed!!

Its not really feasable getting a normal feed, as its concrete floors etc.

Im assuming the best option now is to just move the feed to day rate and fit one of these eco day rate electric rads?

What morons thought it would be a good idea to ban the old style rads, and introduce new rads which need a second supply....

Yes thinking about it now, for smart functions to work, they are going to need power during the day time...

Anyone else got caught out with these?

 

[Leesparkykent]

During a flat renovation i removed and skipped a very old and battered storage heater and ordered one of the new super expensive (customer nearly had a heart attack) storage heaters, assuming it would go right in place.

Only discovered earlier they need a dual ****ing feed!!

Its not really feasable getting a normal feed, as its concrete floors etc.

Im assuming the best option now is to just move the feed to day rate and fit one of these eco day rate electric rads?

What morons thought it would be a good idea to ban the old style rads, and introduce new rads which need a second supply....

Yes thinking about it now, for smart functions to work, they are going to need power during the day time...

Anyone else got caught out with these?

Why not just install a standard NSH?

 

[-Matt]

Why not just install a standard NSH?

Neither of my suppliers can get hold of any.
The term “Rocking horse ----” was used.

 

[westward10]

I find it difficult to believe your wholesaler cannot provide a one tariff storage heater.

 

[TJ Anderson]

As Lee said.....prob a standard night storage heater would be best.

It's not a totally new thing either. I remember wiring up dual feed convector combi's almost 15 years ago and I don't think it was new then...

 

[westward10]

Just put the one connection to it.

 

[Leesparkykent]

There’s hundreds....just type manual night storage heater in to google.

 

[Dave OCD]

Standard storage heaters are no longer manufactured as they fell foul of 'Lot 20' energy efficiency directive I think ? It's a right pain but all that's out there now will be old stock, and rapidly diminishing.

 

[telectrix]

back in the 60's,as an apprentice, i remember the company i worked for had a massive project to replace/repair their night storage heaters. they were an innovation at the time, being water filled instead of bricks, so lightweight when empty for ease of installation, but the problem was corrosion. we were driving all over Scotland in a BMC J4 van, sleeping in the van and getting paid lodging out allowance that was double what our wages were. happy days. .

 

[MDJ]

Neither of my suppliers can get hold of any.
The term “Rocking horse ****” was used.

Serious? they are standard at most wholesalers, who are you using DFS?

 

[Dave OCD]

MDJ, have you actually tried to buy one recently ?

 

[Octopus]

I must admit I am very confused with these storage heater changes ...

Anybody got any links they can post to help educate us?

 

[Dave OCD]

Lot 20 - https://www.lot20.co.uk/

 

[Octopus]

^^ thanks mate ........... sounds like a load of waffle with little detail ......... don't think I've seen anything about this before now and its September 2018!

 

[Dave OCD]

You're welcome mate, yes it's a strange one and so frustrating when someone has a house full of decent storage heaters and wants one more, there are still a few out there but not many!

 

[Octopus]

Not sure how I have missed this..... How are we supposed to know about all this carp and changes ....

 

[Davisonp]

Serious? they are standard at most wholesalers, who are you using DFS?

Manufactures are not allowed to manufacture them anymore since April (I believe), The same as Halogen GU10 lamps.

 

[freddo]

Fitted 2 last week, had to wire normal supplies for both of them. Used to enjoy N/S heater swaps, nice and easy. Now having to get extra wiring in takes the fun away somewhat. Yet more EU meddling. The things had quite a lot of small electronics, which is never a good idea inside a heater. There is a block of new-ish flats near here with electronics filled storage heaters, have had to replace the PCBs in loads of the heaters, not reliable at all.

 

[1Justin]

I fitted a load of them as replacements. As it turns out the job was planned and second feed also planned. They do work well and the instant heat section is IMO essential in some circumstances to get by the "cold evening" problem.
For the instant heater part, those second elements are not so powerful, so you may be able to sneak the odd one of them off sockets circuit, depending if you decide there is adequate capacity.

 

[GeorgeCooke]

Someone should tell them that ALL electric heaters are 100% efficient.

 

[rhitey]

Damn I've heard nothing about this at all.
I don't come across electric heating to often these days
Just checked with Rexel and yes dual supplies needed
That could've been a bit embarrassing

 

[Dave OCD]

Apparently there's something else in the pipeline too, as I understand it rental properties have to have an EPC survey and depending on the outcome even electric rads with programmers are beginning to be removed/scrapped in favour of Combi storage heaters !

 

[freddo]

rental properties have to have an EPC survey

Yep, that's why we were fitting them, had to change lights for LED ones throughout as well to meet the minimum standard.

 

[Dave OCD]

Landlords will love all this eh !