Holiday Flats - electrical test - consumer units - supply cables - very worried!!!!

[Guest55]

Re: Holiday Flats - electrical test - consumer units - supply cables - very worried!

its obvious why the fuse hasnt blown - because your using less than 100a continous.
and it will take at least 130a to blow that fuse anyway.

 

[john999uk]

Re: Holiday Flats - electrical test - consumer units - supply cables - very worried!

its obvious why the fuse hasnt blown - because your using less than 100a continuous.
and it will take at least 130a to blow that fuse anyway.

In that case it does sort of make a mockery of the diversification calcs. Well I guess it does as I worked out that just showers and cookers could, at a max, be pulling is well over 450amps!!!! Can't believe that the diversity calc would estimate supply at 25% of max load? Guess most visitors eat out and don't have many showers

Biff are you sure you are not interested in the job?
If it is OK with electrician and regs I would happily lay all cables and trunking etc in ready for test/connections etc.
I did work as a 'supervised' sparky for about 12months about 20 years ago. So while I don't know regs, given guidance I could do a lot of the manual work.
Still not interested, maybe on your weekends off

Cheers.

 

[ayjay]

Re: Holiday Flats - electrical test - consumer units - supply cables - very worried!

ffsake just leave the supply as is, as biff said 100 amps on one phase is ok
you worry too much, just rent them out and tuck the money away in an offshore account

 

[john999uk]

Re: Holiday Flats - electrical test - consumer units - supply cables - very worried!

ffsake just leave the supply as is, as biff said 100 amps on one phase is ok
you worry too much, just rent them out and tuck the money away in an offshore account

Must admit I do worry about the H&S of my guests and my family, maybe too much. I would not like to stay somewhere that was not safe so I try and make my place as safe as possible. Like getting Fire alarm serviced every 6 months, Fire extinguishers every 12 months, yearly Pat Testing etc.

As others have stated 100amp fuse has not blown so I can't be pulling more than 130amps continuously, but to get a fully legal EICR certificate I think most accredited sparks would want a bigger supply. Then again they may not be bothered by supply as long as rest is safe?

Off shore banking I wish

Thanks.

 

[Guest55]

Re: Holiday Flats - electrical test - consumer units - supply cables - very worried!

i'm not part p registered i'm afraid john so i cant notify
and domestic is , er , not my bag lol.

 

[john999uk]

Re: Holiday Flats - electrical test - consumer units - supply cables - very worried!

cheers Biff. Know any reliable Sparks in Blackpool that can do job?

 

[malcolmsanford]

Re: Holiday Flats - electrical test - consumer units - supply cables - very worried!

Tell the electrician that suggested you need a 3 phase 100amp supply for 6 units to see my solicitors Hadaway and Sh###e

Talk about one extreme to another I know 10 story block of flats that do not have that amount of supply let alone 6 small domestic units.

And please do not try and work out diversity using something like the OSG, it is obvious that in the 7 years that you have known the fuse as not blown, it is never drawing enough load ever to trip it.

Make the units safe by all means, very commendable of you, some new boards with either RCD/MCBs or even better but a little more expensive individual RCBOs

 

[Guest55]

Re: Holiday Flats - electrical test - consumer units - supply cables - very worried!

cheers Biff.

no problem.
make a donation to the donkey sanctuary with the crap load of cash i've just saved you.

;-)

 

[Guest55]

Re: Holiday Flats - electrical test - consumer units - supply cables - very worried!

And please do not try and work out diversity using something like the OSG, it is obvious that in the 7 years that you have known the fuse as not blown, it is never drawing enough load ever to trip it.

your average dno allow 25-30amps per house on a load assessment for an entire street.
thats what you call proper diversity ;-)

 

[john999uk]

Re: Holiday Flats - electrical test - consumer units - supply cables - very worried!

Contacted DNO for quote. Good news is that 3 phase is on pavement outside, so only about 6 meters away from meter location, although that is in basement!
Had a quote come through from first sparky for EICR. £1000 !!!!!!!! for testing all circuits with no faults rectified. So that is about 30 circuits at a calculated £33 a circuit. Not that impressed with him as he suggested that I contact United Utilities for new supply when according to nationalgrid DNO page United Utilities is not listed!

Seems a bit expensive to me.
What do you guys think?

 

[Knobhead]

Re: Holiday Flats - electrical test - consumer units - supply cables - very worried!

What have the other's quoted?

 

[High Tower]

Sounds a little steep

 

[john999uk]

Re: Holiday Flats - electrical test - consumer units - supply cables - very worried!

No received other quotes so far so maybe a bit misleading, he may just not want the job, or doesn't like the customer
Cheers

 

[john999uk]

Re: Holiday Flats - electrical test - consumer units - supply cables - very worried!

Sounds a little steep

Must admit that's what I thought. I have read lots on here and get the idea that on 'average' a EICR test on a circuit without any rectification takes about 45-60 mins. So makes the job 3 days, but I don't know market rates in Blackpool are for good sparkys. Plus ours might not be 'average'.
Is there any think that can make sparks job easier to do eicr? I did notice that circuits are not labelled. Should I use a test plug and check which circuits are fed from which fuse so I can label appropriately?

 

[Stocksie]

Re: Holiday Flats - electrical test - consumer units - supply cables - very worried!

20 mins per circuit is the rule of thumb I think.

 

[High Tower]

Must admit that's what I thought. I have read lots on here and get the idea that on 'average' a EICR test on a circuit without any rectification takes about 45-60 mins. So makes the job 3 days, but I don't know market rates in Blackpool are for good sparkys. Plus ours might not be 'average'.
Is there any think that can make sparks job easier to do eicr? I did notice that circuits are not labelled. Should I use a test plug and check which circuits are fed from which fuse so I can label appropriately?

Yes all circuits being properly labeled makes a huge difference !!

 

[cobrauk]

Re: Holiday Flats - electrical test - consumer units - supply cables - very worried!

Done well not to blow the main fuse after all this time that's for sure

 

[telectrix]

Re: Holiday Flats - electrical test - consumer units - supply cables - very worried!

my dad's house was built in 1926. service head was fitted with a 30A rewireable fuse. it lasted till 1989, when it finally gave up due to electric cooker and shower both being on at the same time. if that 100A was going to go, it would have gone ages ago.

 

[john999uk]

Re: Holiday Flats - electrical test - consumer units - supply cables - very worried!

Yes all circuits being properly labeled makes a huge difference !!

Cheers.
What is best way to label? I can get labeller and mark every socket and switch although only 1 socket circuit per flat, 1 light circuit, 1 cooker, 1 shower so 4 fuses in CU in a flat.
I could also produce a room layout plan with each socket marked on plan?
What is the best method to help sparks?
It's winter so we are closed so my time is cheap

 

[Guest55]

Re: Holiday Flats - electrical test - consumer units - supply cables - very worried!

should be looking at around £20 a circuit for a inspection in blackpool.
£1000 for 3 days is excessive.
i'd do it if i had the time , done plenty of hotel PIR's around town , and dont require part p to do it either.