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Marvo
Why are you so pessimistic when I keep reading about the gas industry seems to have got it right? Why is the electrical industry so different?
Why are you so pessimistic when I keep reading about the gas industry seems to have got it right? Why is the electrical industry so different?
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GLENNSPARK
of course not...they`l just pick up the ball and run with it....in their eyes it aint broke...so why fix it..lol....i agree that the term `competent person` is crude but if we go down the road that the americans have...it will mean that nobody can undertake work within their own property....a right old police state that would be.....the issue with these part p schemes...is someone who has undertaken the C&G2382 is deemed competent....now anyone who has done this course will know that its really just an on line guess....open book, on line.....not really challenging.....there no requirement to take a qual in inspection and testing either.......its not good enough but they wont raise the goalposts as they know that if they do....there`l be loads that wont make the mark....or thats what they think anyway.....its mad....
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VoltzElectrical
surely a 'licence to practice' would eliminate this, as all electrical work would require a 'licensed' electrician who would have to have passed a set of competency exams including the underpinning knowledge?
This would not have to exclude people who re-train later in life (such as myself) but surely exclude 5 week wonders.
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GLENNSPARK
what we have at the mo Marvo...is a system that favours paying a fee....regardless of the feepayers ability to do the work to industry standards.....what this means is you are getting wholly unsuitable people with a licence to install at will....and very bad install it is n all sometimes.....i mean, where do you think all the pics that get posted in here come from?...who do you think`s responsible for a lot of it?......yes, some of its DIY charlie.....but a lot of its kitchen fitters who paid into a scheme....but cant do it to acceptable standards...hell they may have even got someone to install the assessment work for em......thats how slack it all is.....
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VoltzElectrical
These sound like completely separate and unconnected issues. The 'license to practice'would be an industry internal issue not a national government one surely...
Surely the JIB grading is as good as a 'license to practice' isn't it?
Sorry if these are stupid questions but I have zero knowledge of the UK electrical industry. I'm learning fairly quickly though
If only the JIB grade were good enough...
in truth, JIB graded sparks aren't deemed 'qualified' to work on domestic properties without spending a further £500 a year to 'prove' their competency to do so. But this doesn't apply to work on commercial or industrial sites.
This is madness in the extreme, when you consider that guys who have done a 5 week course and pay the fees to the scams, can go and do the work! Where is the sense in all of this?
It's just pure corruption.
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Marvo
How do the schemes add value or how were they originally intended to add value? Do they provide insurance and checks and balances for the customer for example? I'm guessing they must have originally brought something to the party.
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GLENNSPARK
the original concept was to reduce the number of accidents and fatalities associated with poor electrical installations due to cowboys n sharpsters.....but it`s backfired spectacularly....as any number of these characters can just hand over moneys....and your in the club.....it just isn`t regulated properly....the scheme providers arn`t interested either.....its all a bit of a tip really.....
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flyingsausage
The UK electricial industry has two many people with their finger in the pie and they all want a larger share of the money in the pie.
Be it JIB,the IEE,these Napit etc and all the rest including agencies,payment companies and training providers.
Most take money from the trade bit wull never put any money back in.
I would not know where to start if I was to reconmend a way of fixing it.
Be it JIB,the IEE,these Napit etc and all the rest including agencies,payment companies and training providers.
Most take money from the trade bit wull never put any money back in.
I would not know where to start if I was to reconmend a way of fixing it.
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flyingsausage
You are correct from reading this forum I do see threads from guys that do not have a clue about electrical work asking for advice from electricians on how to pass the tests to get into these schemes.
These schemes have become a cancer on the trade - they are now only there to keep those that work there in a job and not to do any sort of policing of their members - as they know a disgruntled member will hust jump ship to another scheme.They have just become a money making racket.
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Marvo
Who are the schemes themselves registered with? Is there an industry governing body that oversees them or is it government?
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VoltzElectrical
Not being in one Marvo, I can't comment, but from what i can gather from other threads, they are mainly interested in pursuing people that use their logos without being paid up members.
They don't seem to be interested in helping out people who have received substandard workmanship, nor offer insurance to people who have had substandard work done.
As far as I am concerned, they are just one piece of a money making racquet with the sole trader as the pawn in a corrupt game.
Maybe I'm wrong, and someone will come on here and correct me, after all, I'm not registered and don't do domestic work. But I'll be honest, the thought of having to do two notifiable jobs, and paying all that money to a scam so I can self notify, doesn't entice me into that saturated market when I'll have to do umpteen little jobs to even cover my subscription costs for the year.
No wonder cash jobs rule. the system is set up to favour the unscrupulous.
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GLENNSPARK
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GLENNSPARK
http://Building Regulations - Part P certification schemes - IET Electrical
take a look at this Marvo...
take a look at this Marvo...
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flyingsausage
The reason that cash jobs rule will always be that it is cheaper to get a spark to do a job on the side than get a sole trader spark or a company into do the work as they have alot of overheads which reflect in their prices.
An example is my parents wanted the downstairs of their house painted and phoned a few companies for a quote,they got quotes ranging from £1000 to £1500 for the work.Which to me seemed way over the top.
They ended up using a self employed one man band painter who done it for £550 if they supplied the paint - he only took two days and did a great job.
He only had a small van and worked from his garage so did not have alot of overheads or have to charge VAT like the others did.Plus he got alot of other work from friends of my parents who reconmend him.
An example is my parents wanted the downstairs of their house painted and phoned a few companies for a quote,they got quotes ranging from £1000 to £1500 for the work.Which to me seemed way over the top.
They ended up using a self employed one man band painter who done it for £550 if they supplied the paint - he only took two days and did a great job.
He only had a small van and worked from his garage so did not have alot of overheads or have to charge VAT like the others did.Plus he got alot of other work from friends of my parents who reconmend him.
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flyingsausage
It would be good if we did have a licence scheme to trade or do electricial work in this country as it would get rid of many unskilled and the cowboys overnight
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GLENNSPARK
but your scheme providers would go out of business....so it wont happen.....
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Engineer54
That's what i keep promoting, Get a National Register of Qualified Electricians, and you won't need these scam scheme providers any longer!!
They won't go out of business, they will just revert back to what they were doing before!! But it will make a bloody big dent in there profitability... lol!!!
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flyingsausage
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