Regulation help for ex electrician

[LlamaPrince]

hi,

I previously worked as an electrician for around 9 years for the same company, i completed 17th edition, C&G inspection and testing, along with various other electrical qualifications before all this Part-p nonsense came into question.

now i have switched jobs i work in marketing of all things, but anyway my qualifications / experience are still relevant just because its not been my occupation for 4 years here comes my question.

i want to install a hot tub in the garden, now because I'm adding a new circuit the hot tub seller is telling me about some part -p nonsense i need to get signed off, can't i just sign it off myself? or do i really need to pay an electrician to do it just because im not registered with the right bodies?

is there not some "competent" person or common sense to this regulation because for all intents and purposes i am an electrician and why should i pay someone else to do what is a very simple job?

Thanks

 

[Darkwood]

Hi LlamaPrince and welcome to the forum

 

[Leesparkykent]

As it's a new circuit it's notifiable. You can pay your LABC to send one of their appointed contractors to test/notify the new circuit. Another route is to get it tested/notified through someone who is either a member of NAPIT or STROMA and willing to do third party certification (I think these are the only two CPS to offer third party certification). Or finally if your competent to do the work and necessary tests, who would ever know if you didn't have it notified.......

 

[andyb]

Or finally if your competent to do the work and necessary tests, who would ever know if you didn't have it notified.......

Well the op had to be told about part p from someone selling hot tubs.
Also part p has been around for 10 years now.

My advice would be, get an electrician.

 

[Leesparkykent]

Well the op had to be told about part p from someone selling hot tubs.
Also part p has been around for 10 years now.

My advice would be, get an electrician.

good points :icon14:

 

[DuaneMHunt1976]

Planning Portal - Part P (Electrical Safety)

you can do the work yourself, but i would read up on the SECTION (701/702) on Hot Tubs (being really a bit Bath with BUBBLES/Heater)
also need to report what you are doing and pay a fee to the council to check it

or you can do a 3rd Party Tester

 

[Octopus]

Planning Portal - Part P (Electrical Safety)

you can do the work yourself, but i would read up on the SECTION (701/702) on Hot Tubs (being really a bit Bath with BUBBLES/Heater)
also need to report what you are doing and pay a fee to the council to check it

or you can do a 3rd Party Tester

No you can't use a 3rd Party tester to do Part P notifications!

 

[colshaws]

No you can't use a 3rd Party tester to do Part P notifications!

Part P: third party certification - IET Electrical

 

[Octopus]

Part P: third party certification - IET Electrical

Every day is a learning day..

But if this is the case why can't we use a 3 part EIC rather than use an EICR?

TBH I don't care as I have no intention of doing 3rd party inspections and notifications.....

 

[colshaws]

Me nether.

 

[DuaneMHunt1976]

Because the EICR is checking that it is working and up to standard. But a EIC is more saying you did it.
I did ask if you used a MULTI EIC (having them as the Designer and Installer) but i was screamed at by a Napit --- for saying that.

Its shocking the lack of understanding in to 3rd party, some thing that has been around for a LONG time and STILL no real Paper work saying IM TESTING THIS FOR SOMEONE ELSE GOV thing..

I asked my Napit ---, could you do 3rd Party for Non-Qualified Electricians, NO DIY ONLY, well if you dont have Qualifications you are a DIYer!!

Ive read a LOT about 3rd Party, i did think that i could get my testing Qualification and EASY Street, letting guys who been doing the job with out qualifications over the years, who do a good job, to test it and walk out (Only Passing if it meets standards, before i get any bold cap letters there) but ive not been trading for 2yr so i cant do 3rd party. Plus the Napit --- gave me the impression i had to Run 2miles and not get run over by his car before he would let me even think of doing a 3rd Party test.
He was VERY ANTI 3rd Party

 

[7029 dave]

Because the EICR is checking that it is working and up to standard. But a EIC is more saying you did it.
I did ask if you used a MULTI EIC (having them as the Designer and Installer) but i was screamed at by a Napit --- for saying that.

Its shocking the lack of understanding in to 3rd party, some thing that has been around for a LONG time and STILL no real Paper work saying IM TESTING THIS FOR SOMEONE ELSE GOV thing..

I asked my Napit ---, could you do 3rd Party for Non-Qualified Electricians, NO DIY ONLY, well if you dont have Qualifications you are a DIYer!!

Ive read a LOT about 3rd Party, i did think that i could get my testing Qualification and EASY Street, letting guys who been doing the job with out qualifications over the years, who do a good job, to test it and walk out (Only Passing if it meets standards, before i get any bold cap letters there) but ive not been trading for 2yr so i cant do 3rd party. Plus the Napit --- gave me the impression i had to Run 2miles and not get run over by his car before he would let me even think of doing a 3rd Party test.
He was VERY ANTI 3rd Party

well if you dont have Qualifications you are a DIYer!! your quote Duane, just saying I know a guy with an approved JIB card, never been to college in his life.

 

[Octopus]

The main problem is that many people don't bother with Part P and the rest do it properly - what makes ANYONE think the people who don't care will spend any more money??

I would be extremely cautious of any builder asking any 3rd party tester to notify their work, and this also applies to most of the Eastern Europeans.....

 

[DuaneMHunt1976]

If it dosnt MEET the Standards YOU FAIL IT, point blank

Then again you can fail on a a EICR, i can see why they really need a stand alone paper work for such a thing.


I did ask about Part P course but the college i asked said dont bother as when i did my qualifications they were working to Part P
Then you get the Governing bodies say yes ok to work to Part P without the Qualification of that name sake
also get them saying you can sign off work without the Testing Qualifications ..

All you need is Wiring Regs, and you can call yourself a Electrician, it feels
Wiring Regs and Part P and you can be a Domestic Electrician.


Im guessing the guy who asked about, Himself INstalling a Hot Tub, did his C&G2391, so guessing he knows a bit, and has worked as a electrician with 4yr out (only misted out on BS7671:2008 Amd2), I would say he was a ABOVE a DIYer

 

[Simonslimline]

If it dosnt MEET the Standards YOU FAIL IT, point blank

Then again you can fail on a a EICR, i can see why they really need a stand alone paper work for such a thing.


I did ask about Part P course but the college i asked said dont bother as when i did my qualifications they were working to Part P
Then you get the Governing bodies say yes ok to work to Part P without the Qualification of that name sake
also get them saying you can sign off work without the Testing Qualifications ..

All you need is Wiring Regs, and you can call yourself a Electrician, it feels
Wiring Regs and Part P and you can be a Domestic Electrician.


Im guessing the guy who asked about, Himself INstalling a Hot Tub, did his C&G2391, so guessing he knows a bit, and has worked as a electrician with 4yr out (only misted out on BS7671:2008 Amd2), I would say he was a ABOVE a DIYer

How can you get part p?

Anyone saying they have done there part p course and believes it to be a qualification has been made a fool of.

The route to becoming qualified is the route and there are no shortcuts to actually becoming a real qualified electrician.

 

[7029 dave]

Part p is an building regulation nothing more or less.

 

[DuaneMHunt1976]

City and Guilds 2397-30 a QUICK FIX COURSE

https://www.tradeskills4u.co.uk/courses/2397-course



Think it only takes a week to do

This is suitable for electrical work in dwellings. These qualifications also cover wiring regulations and initial verification so youwill not need an additional qualification from lists 7 or 8.
Experience: with this qualification you can register for Full Scope for Dwellings Only without any experience criteria.

Level 3 Certificate in Installing, Testing and Ensuring Complianceof Electrical Installations in Dwellings
(QCF)C&G 2397‐30 600/7888/1EAL 600/7695/1



So if i had a PART P qualification, i can wipe off 2yr Experence and could do 3rd Party if i wanted

"The following qualifications include some underlying knowledge or entry‐level content but are not sufficient to be consideredequivalent to the requirements for registration. They can be used provided you can demonstrate 2 years’ experience"

 

[Simonslimline]

City and Guilds 2397-30 a QUICK FIX COURSE

https://www.tradeskills4u.co.uk/courses/2397-course





Think it only takes a week to do

This is suitable for electrical work in dwellings. These qualifications also cover wiring regulations and initial verification so youwill not need an additional qualification from lists 7 or 8.
Experience: with this qualification you can register for Full Scope for Dwellings Only without any experience criteria.

Level 3 Certificate in Installing, Testing and Ensuring Complianceof Electrical Installations in Dwellings
(QCF)C&G 2397‐30 600/7888/1EAL 600/7695/1

Nothing more than a money spinner for the "Training centres"!

 

[DuaneMHunt1976]

Yes but the Likes of NAPIT take it as a Qualificaiont o sign up for them

Ive looked at some of the members here and i think some have done it that way .. some have Part P and 17th Edition only

 

[Simonslimline]

Yes but the Likes of NAPIT take it as a Qualificaiont o sign up for them

Ive looked at some of the members here and i think some have done it that way .. some have Part P and 17th Edition only

So that means they are not qualified electricians then.