Switched fused spur off ring main for electric fire and LED strip

[sparkiejay]

Hi

Ive been searching everywhere to confirm with regulations that you are able to install a fused spur outlet off the downstairs ring for an electric fire (which is only to be used for the flame effect it provides not for heating as have central heating) and a LED Driver for a strip light within the fire place housing.

Obviously fused down to 3A as it will only be used for the lighting effect for both the electric fire and LED Strip light.

Can anyone advise me if this is acceptable please?

 

[Rockingit]

Did your 'searching everywhere' not take you as far as the regs book, then. Because if it had, then I'm pretty sure it would have pointed towards an entire appendix on this very subject.

 

[sparkiejay]

Ah i see ive made a friend already lmao

Yes there is appendix 15 but where in this ****ing book does it state that i can supply to items of equipment from one fused spur?

Im not being arsey or meaning to sound like a dumbass just would like somewhere in the regs to say it is acceptable, ive either looked passed it or need to study book, would you say its acceptable?

 

[sparkiejay]

two* items of equipment sorry

 

[davesparks]

I would say if electrician installing it makes a judgement, based on his knowledge and experience, that it is acceptable then it is acceptable.

 

[Darkwood]

Is it possible for the fire to be used as a heater again or is it purely built for effect only?... If the former then what KW rating is it?

Just because you decide the central heating is the primary heating source you will still have to treat it as a usable working fire (Scenario - boiler packs in).

Where are you tagging the LED lighting into... are you planning on running 2 flexes to the spurs or tapping it into the fire itself?

 

[Meggerman]

Hi

Ive been searching everywhere to confirm with regulations that you are able to install a fused spur outlet off the downstairs ring for an electric fire (which is only to be used for the flame effect it provides not for heating as have central heating) and a LED Driver for a strip light within the fire place housing.

Obviously fused down to 3A as it will only be used for the lighting effect for both the electric fire and LED Strip light.

Can anyone advise me if this is acceptable please?

I don't see any safety issue with that. If you preferred you could install 13A Switched FCU from ring and on the load terminals connect fire and also another cable to a non-switched FCU with a 3A fuse for LED light. That way you could retain full functionality of fire as well.

 

[sparkiejay]

Cool thanks dave

 

[Badged01]

As far as I can see absolutely no problem with taking two items off the fused spur be it at 3A or 13A.

 

[sparkiejay]

Is it possible for the fire to be used as a heater again or is it purely built for effect only?... If the former then what KW rating is it?

Just because you decide the central heating is the primary heating source you will still have to treat it as a usable working fire (Scenario - boiler packs in).

Where are you tagging the LED lighting into... are you planning on running 2 flexes to the spurs or tapping it into the fire itself?

I was aiming to install 2 flexes from the load side of the fused spur.

Fully understand about needing the electric fire in a time of need, maybe have to consider this.

Plan to take one flex to the LED Driver and second flex to the electric fire, i didnt want to tap off the electric fire flex to supply the LED Driver.

Thanks for your reply

 

[sparkiejay]

As far as I can see absolutely no problem with taking two items off the fused spur be it at 3A or 13A.

Cheers mate thanks for reply

 

[sparkiejay]

I don't see any safety issue with that. If you preferred you could install 13A Switched FCU from ring and on the load terminals connect fire and also another cable to a non-switched FCU with a 3A fuse for LED light. That way you could retain full functionality of fire as well.

Thanks for your reply meggerman

 

[Pete999]

Two flexes from one FCU no mate

 

[Meggerman]

Two flexes from one FCU no mate

Not from the surface cable exit agreed, but I believe this is to be run through back box.

 

[davesparks]

Two flexes from one FCU no mate

Why not?

 

[combilau]

It's good practice to have separate rate fused spur for each and instructions may state that, but there's no safety risk in using one spur? Why can't you have two separate spurs?

 

[Pete999]

Why not?

It's a bit of a rough job to take two outputs from one spur IMHO

 

[davesparks]

I don't agree, obviously it's unacceptable to take two flexes out through the flex grip, but other than that I see no problem.

 

[Pete999]

I don't agree with you Dave, 1 spur for 1 item, if you feel that your way is OK then that's your prerogative, but you wouldn't catch me doing it, a right old butchers job IMHO, but hey ho I not arguing any more that's not the way to do things the FCUs aren't designed for that scenario 2 FCUs is the right way

 

[camerabloke]

Agree with Pete. Spur for each flex. 1 spur 2 flexes is yeee hah IMO