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?Since 2010?
If you say so.
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?Since 2010?
If you say so.
Were they responsible for the Labour defeat of 2010 and 2015 or just 2017?
After all this whole farce is a result of unhappiness over austerity caused by the banking shambles and nothing to do with the EU.
What actually is the advantage of exiting our current membership of the EU?REVEALED: How Whitehall thought British public TOO STUPID to be trusted with EU decision - https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/883540/FCO-30-1048-Brexit-EU-secret-document-damned-Britain-EU-membership
Does this change your views on Brexit? Were you aware of these issues?
What actually is the advantage of exiting our current membership of the EU?REVEALED: How Whitehall thought British public TOO STUPID to be trusted with EU decision - https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/883540/FCO-30-1048-Brexit-EU-secret-document-damned-Britain-EU-membership
Does this change your views on Brexit? Were you aware of these issues?
Problem is that this situation is down to the political class manipulating the electorate based on fear whipped up based on their inept management. For example - Islamaphobia bought on by Middle East crisis bought on by refugee crisis down to the West’s destabilisation of that area. Nothing to do with EU.Said it before and I’ll say it again, the majority of that vote and result was born out of frustration at the political class ignoring the electorate.......and probably because a statement like that makes me a racist in every coffee shop in the country!
Let us rephrase the question; What evidence is there we are a democracy? Do the elected listen and act in accord with the electorate? Do your local council do what you want? Does your MP or local councillor respond to the majority will? My experience is no. For instance a majority voted to leave. In a democratic system that would have been the end of the matter. However it is not is it.What evidence is there that we are a puppet state?
Have you heard of quotas? If so how can you say Nothing to do with EU. It is the EU orchestrating a demographic change. Have you heard of No Go zones? Have you looked at crime figures throughout the west for the previous twenty (say) years? And if so I would love to hear how you come to the idea of us stupid people being manipulated by fear by the political class (read, more intelligent than us?) I for one am not manipulated by any person in this land. I dare say there are many many like me who are actually more intelligent than you would give us credit for and as fearless as a Lion to boot.refugee crisis down to the West’s destabilisation of that area. Nothing to do with EU
For example - Islamaphobia bought on by Middle East crisis bought on by refugee crisis down to the West’s destabilisation of that area. Nothing to do with EU.
Ok, how are they ruling us? What EU laws have been passed against our will?The advantage of exiting the EU (wwwww!) is that we reclaim our sovereignty and no longer are ruled by some remote unknown shadowy entity. I am not against a common market but I am against governance which is tyranny.
So what would be wrong with a second vote on the issue now that people have had a chance to make a more informed decision?Let us rephrase the question; What evidence is there we are a democracy? Do the elected listen and act in accord with the electorate? Do your local council do what you want? Does your MP or local councillor respond to the majority will? My experience is no. For instance a majority voted to leave. In a democratic system that would have been the end of the matter. However it is not is it.
To look at your question, puppet state a meme that does not really capture the state of things. Does the state act independently of the judiciary? Does the judiciary act independently from the state? Have we ceded powers to a foreign entity? I think no, no and yes. We now have an unelected bureaucracy dictating laws and the make up of our country without reference to the sovereign people. We the electorate says what does go on and what does not. But apparently not. Our government is on its' knees to a foreign power begging to be let out of class and like a worm on a hook. Why do not the government just say ta-da pal and get about the business we elected them for which is to leave?
1. vehicle emission lawsOk, how are they ruling us? What EU laws have been passed against our will?
I don't know if you are being devils advocate or really don't understand. You ask what laws. That is nowhere near the point of what has changed legally. This is a legally constitutional matter. Sovereignty has been ceded to foreign powers which is in itself a heinous criminal and political offence. It is treason. This was a criminal offence punishable by hanging by the neck until dead. More and more of the sovereignty has been usurped and traitorously ceded by the people in parliament who have a duty to act lawfully. We are in the position of having an unelected plutocracy ruling all of Europe. From The Reichsbank and Germany and France principally. I would say if you think that is ok go abroad to europe and live there. If you like living in a totalitarian state go live in europe. This is dictatorship undoing the sacrifice of millions to ensure we live in a democracy. So what a waste of life for those people to now see all signs of democracy gone or at least fast going.Ok, how are they ruling us? What EU laws have been passed against our will?
What would be wrong with that is the fact that in a democracy when we vote and the ayes have it that is final.So what would be wrong with a second vote on the issue now that people have had a chance to make a more informed decision?
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