Changes to FIT coming sooner that we thought!

[Tiberius]

Whatever they save in FIT money they will pay out in dole money.

Most likely taxes will be increased as all this tidal and wind stuff is from Germany, Norway and Sweden so no jobs in that sector either.

 

[ShropshireLad]

What a "shed load" of money I wasted to get my MCS.

 

[Dale200bhp]

If this is the case, I will pack up my Solar PV side of the business, and F#%K the MCS, it wont be worth doing, its not like I have invested time and money into it either, typical goverment moving the goal posts yet again!

 

[Cider]

Feel sorry for the people who have not even got an install in yet or are so consumed by getting prepared for inspection will be totally unaware!

 

[spongsdad]

As a potential customer who has taken some time to do research and seek out the craftsmen from the cowboys, it seems that I have now left it until too late. I know that investing in the stock market is not for everyone but it is possible to get an after tax return of 5-6% with some of the FTSE 100 companies and similar (but perhaps riskier) smaller companies. I now feel rather sorry for those who have invested in this technology, both installers who may find themselves with little or no work and customers who, when they need after sales support (as they inevitably will) find that their installer is no longer in business. It's also interesting to note that the seriously rich who can allow the big suppliers to put wind turbines on their land-David Cameron's father-in-law comes to mind-will continue to prosper from the green energy revolution; the rest of us will continue to pay for it one way or another. What a disgraceful farce.

 

[CES Heating]

The good thing is I suppose is that Ill not have to pay NAPIT and REAL next year as Ill not be doing renewables anymore

 

[Cider]

The good thing is I suppose is that Ill not have to pay NAPIT and REAL next year as Ill not be doing renewables anymore

I think as a heating installer you will.

I see in the next few weeks some good deals to be had buying panels and not taking on the installs which are tricky but are more profitable.

I know for sure theres plenty of companies with warehouse's full of panels who shant be sleeping the next few weeks.

 

[BillyH]

Whats the shortest time from a customer saying yes to pv and getting the FiT info to the provider?

 

[sbrown2]

Is it really going to be this bad. I'm doing my heat pump assessment on the 24th November and was looking at a solar assessment in the new year. Will it knock the stuffing out of the solar market that badly?

 

[BillyH]

Joe public is only interested in whats in it for them.Cut the fit you cut the interest

 

[CES Heating]

Ive had very little interest in heat pumps seeing as the powers that be haven't yet decided if Air source will be included in the RHI, Solar thermal is a non starter and now Solar PV has been hit. MCS is surely nearing the end of the road?

 

[Tiberius]

Is it really going to be this bad. I'm doing my heat pump assessment on the 24th November and was looking at a solar assessment in the new year. Will it knock the stuffing out of the solar market that badly?

How popular is that at the moment? I know Solar hot water isnt recommended as you have to have an immersion to boost the temp.

 

[phase1]

I chose my installer after reading informed comments by a Valued Member on this forum.Chris and Dave were truly excellent in all the work they did.Everyone who has seen the installation is impressed with the appearance and workmanship.I'm very sorry if small firms like this are forced to close as a result of the lower tariff. On the other hand, it's a classic govenment ploy to leak horrendous figures like this, and when the actual rate is decided it may not be quite so bad, and we'll all feel grateful..I do hope so, for the sake of all the honest, hard working guys who make up the majority of this industry

 

[sbrown2]

Reading some theories in other areas. These being:

1) The FITs where never going to last 8% ROI,
2) Companies won't go out of business by the boat load, they will become more efficient and prices will lower enticing more people to have a install,
3) Lots of land is being released for affordable housing and renewables will be massively important.


I've got another job but I am being positive there is still a, potential, massive market in renewables. Its about staying in the business for now.

 

[finchy]

I actual don't think its over, I have invested a lot of time into developing this side of our business. For sure it changes the business model, but you have to adapt. What angers me are all the cowboys, who use Easy MSc and the likes to just frankly skim the market.
I have done secret shoppers on other installers to see what the competitions up to; it’s shocking what turns up. Ex-window sales men or actual window sales men, all the chat no survey just sales, nothing about my energy needs, draw my roof on a scrap of paper then say yep 17 panels (235W). I hope they leave this industry as quickly as they turned up.

Its right Solar PV should form part of holistic energy efficiency of a home, we actual monitor consumption on our survey and offer advice on how to lower energy.
What’s wrong is for the Government not to have a longer change over period, they should stop the Free solar outfits straight away.

 

[solarfred]

Just spotted this in the FT -

Subsidy deadline looms for solar investors - FT.com

 

[BillyH]

"What angers me are all the cowboys, who use Easy MSc and the likes to just frankly skim the market"

If you get accreditation then you get it.What you do with it is up to you.Easy MCS only help you .They don't do it for you

 

[SolarCity]

I've been racing around like a headless chicken all day and I've been bombarded with emails from worried customers. We've set up a 40 day plan which will be thrown completely off skew by nothing more than a few days of heavy wind and rain - in November.

If Greg Barker could take a look at how his messing around is affecting us all he would be ashamed. Tory governments have never had any idea how to treat initiative and innovative tradesmen and they've screwed us all once again. Meanwhile, Tube Train drivers are earning 45k a year for riding around on their giant train sets, billions of pounds are being spent on Velodromes, Kayaking rivers and Beach Volley courts that no one will ever use and a giant stadium is being built in London that no one wants.

 

[Easters]

I feel that all the good trades men have been let down....... Good luck monday I think alot of good installers will go bust.

 

[furrypants]

I hope for the PV industry sake that this has been leaked on purpose to gauge the response and that the fits will not be this low. Fingers crossed.

 

[Energetic]

£860 million is a tiny fraction of what the bankers got and are still getting, orders of magnitude away. The FiT is promoting growth and employment and bringing in a handsome revenue for HMRC in tax for the 25,000 jobs created so far with a tiny impact on general energy bills ( and no impact to the treasury).

The current system needs work, it's not perfect. It's too generous and provision needs to be made for the majority of people who don't have £10k + sitting idle (green deal hopefully) but >50% cuts will not help the industry.

Why are interest rates relevant to FiT payback? Low interest rates are a just another bonus for irresponsible insolvent banks so why should we suffer again and again for their mistakes?

 

[solgen]

Whatever the outcome on Monday I would like to thank all of you on this forum for all the valuable advice I have received in response to some of the questions I have posted and from browsing QA's. As an engineer working for corporates most of my life, the solar PV industry finally gave me that opportunity too set up a business where I could be independant from the self important, supercilious managers who quite frankly had no idea how to run a business. I'm still on the receiving end of the same type of incompetent managing where futures are thrown into jeopardy.

I like to take an oozi to those gits! :73:

 

[tom.stilwell]

The company i work for has been in the PV industry for 7 years, we are currently booking work for mid febuary and have just over 1.3 million pounds worth of orders confirmed to take place. A cut like this will mean we will have to give back lots of deposits and let down many customers. I cannot believe a discrace to the industry like this can be allowed to take place, many people have invested serious amounts of time and money into what 'was' an evolving industry all of which may well turn out to be a waste! I do hope for all our sakes this will not be the case.

Good luck to all of you!

 

[feebs73]

Well what can I say, I have been sitting on the fence for a bit of time whether to make the investment or not, being an electrician some of my customers have asked me to install pv for them as trust is a great form of confidence when investing 10k, being a small company it has taken a lot of money to gain the 2399 and a loss of earnings, the qms system and still not quite there. I land 4 jobs and one of my customers has just phoned me in a panic. I just don’t know what to say about it there’s no way I will install and get accessed and get the FIT all done. What a waste of time effort and trouble with the wife.
just have to wait and see.

 

[alank]

I am about to place an order for a 4kw system. I am now worried that it will not be installed and passed off in time. I have seen the question asked on this thread three times but it has not been answered.

How long does it take from install to completion and signing off so the still gets the current FiT payment, One week?, six weeks???? ie if it is installed next week, when will it all be passed off paper work wise?

If I am not given a set in stone guarantee by the installer that it will all be done before 8th December, I cannot go ahead with the order.

 

[kate.harrison1]

Alank,
We have just had ours done and the papers have all been sent off. I'm sure someone will contradict me if I am wrong but in my experience, there is no reason why the system cannot be signed off as soon as the install is complete. Mine took about a day and a half(2 on the roof and 2 electricians). You should then be given a whole bunch of papers and you can perhaps, as I did with Scottish Power, print the claim form from the internet. As long as you send all the forms they ask for including the MCS certificate which your installer should give you, you should be able to send it off the day of installation or the next day. How long it will take after that and whether there will be any deliberate stalling tactics, your guess is as good as mine!

Good luck anyway.

 

[SRE]

Well - I thought it would be a good idea to take time out of very busy schedule to see what the solar trade show had to offer. Got to Birmingham 4hours after finishing work last night and crashed without checking the forum. Spent half the day looking at gear at the trade show then got a garbled message about disasters and some info about the cuts but haven't really got the full picture until tonight.

Going up the M6 tonight we ordered 10 inverters, the rest of the roof kit we needed, cancelled a holiday we've had booked since Feb, geared up the roofer and scaffolder, sent texts to some of our customers, panels are already on order - can someone help with the weather - every one of our jobs bar 2 are slate, just got to work out to get 2.5 months wok into 4 weeks.


I forsee many bodged jobs - who gives a damn about mcs now, there a few of us who will maintain standards and many more who won't, MCS installation database crashing on a daily basis with the volume and as much time spent on the phone apologising to customers who are in the middle of planning applications as to those customers who have taken their time committing to installations who now can't have any work done at the current rate and just as much time saying to no to every other customer who has realised they have waited too long.

I know of an installer who has 3 x 50kwp systems installed but not commissioned because the DNO has been too busy to get the work done - where do they stand - bust me thinks :-(

 

[JD6400]

I would like to amend that to dislike !!!!!!!!
Obviously not at yourself SRE .

 

[SolarCity]

Greg Barker is on Radio 4 this morning at 8:45......

 

[Markc]

Guy's

The Internet has been known to be wrong before! Lets wait till Monday before we stand around the hole throwing dirt on the coffin.