Change of career

[Robson689]

Makes you wonder why I did 4 years and a further 2 to get approved status

Exactly. All you have to do is match the colours up.

 

[Guest111]

Does this CLOWN know what a spur is? will someone define a spur for him? as clearly he thinks he knows but doesnt (socket off a socket not a spur off a socket).

 

[IT SPARKY]

Not at all, but you've got a lot more credible notes to look back on, not just 8weeks worth. How do you go off and gain experience after your course then? Do you promise them a job under a qualified sparky to learn with the 4k they're paying you?

I agree, not everyone can get an apprentership - theres nothing stopping them doing the full time course though, exactly the same as an apprentership apart from NVQ3 and AM2. I'd employ someone with a fulltime course (minus nvq and am2) over someones who done a 8week course any day of the week - and 99% of other people would aswel.

These short courses are misleading, regardless of what you say. Promise the world deliver nothing.

My Mrs. who's a Chartered Physiotherapist wanted to add this:

" as anyone who has completed a vocational degree / course / exams will be able to testify it is only after you have qualified that the learning begins. with over 12 yrs experience as a chartered physio I can guarantee that any NQP (newly qualified person) in any profession ( my point doctor physio engineer etc) that I know much more now than i did 12 yrs ago but I also know much less as I realise I know actually very little. There will never be a course for anyone who does a vocational profession that can teach you all you need. Anyone who sells that is lying and any professional that says that is lying. BUT dont knock those who are looking at learning a new skill instead support them and avoid the snobbery of my course is better than yours! I know plenty of crap physio's who have got a 1st class honours!! rant over"

Also why do you need your college notes when you have the Regs' + On-site guide ? ? ?

 

[oldtimer]

Exactly. All you have to do is match the colours up.

If I knew that i would not have wasted 5 years and 47 weeks lol (work it out)

 

[Big n Daft]

8 weeks doesnt even get you to the standard of a well trained 1st year apprentice.
IT SPARKY, you've followed the training co/scheme brainwashing to the max. Its not about training people, its about taking your money and filling full of your own self importance.

"Apprentaships are great but not everyone will have time to go this route, doesnt mean thay are any less than you, it may mean that you pick up more hands on experience in you apprenticeship. but so will the other persons after going into the real world of work."

These words sum up why it has all gone wrong.
You are a DI, a house basher. Your words tell me that you cannot begin to comprehend what it takes to be a well rounded multi disciplined electrician.

 

[IT SPARKY]

Does this CLOWN know what a spur is? will someone define a spur for him? as clearly he thinks he knows but doesnt (socket off a socket not a spur off a socket).

NUMPTY:

SPUR DEFINITION: "A Branch from a ring or radial final circuit"

Give me strenght!

 

[markc123]

My Mrs. who's a Chartered Physiotherapist wanted to add this:

" as anyone who has completed a vocational degree / course / exams will be able to testify it is only after you have qualified that the learning begins. with over 12 yrs experience as a chartered physio I can guarantee that any NQP (newly qualified person) in any profession ( my point doctor physio engineer etc) that I know much more now than i did 12 yrs ago but I also know much less as I realise I know actually very little. There will never be a course for anyone who does a vocational profession that can teach you all you need. Anyone who sells that is lying and any professional that says that is lying. BUT dont knock those who are looking at learning a new skill instead support them and avoid the snobbery of my course is better than yours! I know plenty of crap physio's who have got a 1st class honours!! rant over"

Also why do you need your college notes when you have the Regs' + On-site guide ? ? ?

When coming out of an apprentership / any other course for the sake of argument ...college notes are incredibly important to look back on aswell as the standard and OSG, and you can't tell me any different. They're just as important. Don't you think that your 8week course notes are important then?


As for your missus, "only after you have qualified that the learning begins" that is such a non-statement. Of course you learn after you're qualified, but you can't tell me your training didn't help in anyway shape or form.

Now back to the point you neglected to reply to...you say 2 or 3 years training after the 8weeks course, do you provide them with an employer then? or do you just take the 4k tell them they're qualified and let them be on there way ?

 

[IT SPARKY]

8 weeks doesn't even get you to the standard of a well trained 1st year apprentice.
IT SPARKY, you've followed the training co/scheme brainwashing to the max. Its not about training people, its about taking your money and filling full of your own self importance.

"Apprenticeships are great but not everyone will have time to go this route, doesn't mean they are any less than you, it may mean that you pick up more hands on experience in you apprenticeship. but so will the other persons after going into the real world of work."

These words sum up why it has all gone wrong.
You are a DI, a house basher. Your words tell me that you cannot begin to comprehend what it takes to be a well rounded multi disciplined electrician.

LOL! nice to be welcomed to the forum in such a way...

Guys let me be totally clear here.

Im more qualified than most of the electricians where I work, and whilst they may have a huge amount of experience, I've been told by management they are not safe. due to lacking up to date quals.

So if I don't know as much as you after my hard work and studying to pass the same or equivalent exams that took you however long to pass at a pace in college, then why am i qualified, when i had to sit the same exams demonstrating competency???

Go figure?

Weird?

What's a house basher, they didnt teach us this in my 8 weeks? LMFAO!

 

[shagbite]

My Mrs. who's a Chartered Physiotherapist wanted to add this:

" as anyone who has completed a vocational degree / course / exams will be able to testify it is only after you have qualified that the learning begins. with over 12 yrs experience as a chartered physio I can guarantee that any NQP (newly qualified person) in any profession ( my point doctor physio engineer etc) that I know much more now than i did 12 yrs ago but I also know much less as I realise I know actually very little. There will never be a course for anyone who does a vocational profession that can teach you all you need. Anyone who sells that is lying and any professional that says that is lying. BUT dont knock those who are looking at learning a new skill instead support them and avoid the snobbery of my course is better than yours! I know plenty of crap physio's who have got a 1st class honours!! rant over"

Also why do you need your college notes when you have the Regs' + On-site guide ? ? ?

hahahahaha. if i'd only had a physiotherapist to advise me on the best way to become an electrician, i'd have saved myself 3 years of college.

i can't believe you let your missus fight your battles.

 

[markc123]

Before i take my time and constructivley reply to that last post IT (im a little busy at the moment)...

Your management say they are not safe...but they still employ them?

Yes, very weird.

 

[Guest111]

NUMPTY:

SPUR DEFINITION: "A Branch from a ring or radial final circuit"

Give me strenght!

thought I'd let someone else define it,he thinks a socket off a socket isnt a spur,nearly choked on my bacardi lol.

 

[IT SPARKY]

LOL! nice to be welcomed to the forum in such a way...

Guys let me be totally clear here.

Im more qualified than most of the electricians where I work, and whilst they may have a huge amount of experience, I've been told by management they are not safe. due to lacking up to date quals.

So if I don't know as much as you after my hard work and studying to pass the same or equivalent exams that took you however long to pass at a pace in college, then why am i qualified, when i had to sit the same exams demonstrating competency???

Go figure?

Weird?

What's a house basher, they didn't teach us this in my 8 weeks? LMFAO!

Also If the electricians on here have done an apprenticeship why are they posting about nuisance tripping, lighting problems etc, FGS get real no one regardless of how long they went to college for can know everything. As my Mrs said. Just remeber when you go to A&E the doctor who maybe treating you could be newly qualified, are you going to refuse treatment?

 

[IT SPARKY]

thought I'd let someone else define it,he thinks a socket off a socket isnt a spur,nearly choked on my bacardi lol.

You should stay off the Bacardi mate, you're the only person on here who couldn't comprehend what I meant. LOL!

 

[markc123]

Also If the electricians on here have done an apprenticeship why are they posting about nuisance tripping, lighting problems etc, FGS get real no one regardless of how long they went to college for can know everything. As my Mrs said. Just remeber when you go to A&E the doctor who maybe treating you could be newly qualified, are you going to refuse treatment?

I doubt that doctor would of been on an 8week course. Don't start comparing careers. The electrical industry is probably the biggest mess out of the lot at the moment.

No i realise that no-one can know everything, but what chance have 8week/5week wonders got of knowing anything? As for members posting things, you don't need to be a spark to be a member on here...look at the original OP of this thread.

 

[Essexboy7]

Ignore all the sarcastic replies mate.I am looking for blokes and am willing to give you a start.Nothing too complex just straight forward stuff.I need you to put 3 bubble sets in a length of 32mm conduit and end it in a swans neck.Then i have got a load of 10 core pyro's that need making off but you will have to bring your own pyro tools including a peppercorn stripper.After that i have a load of simmtronic lighting that needs sorting out as all the DALI switching pairs are mixed up,then i need you to go and do some testing on the plug and play lighting where it goes to the F.C.U's.As you so rightky pointed out its easy and i am sure with your paper qualifications and lack of experience you will be able to do it no sweat.And if you cant then my friend you aint a spark

 

[IT SPARKY]

Actually I think I'll be a Barrister next, my skills are good here too! :fuk2: Just found a 12 week course! LOL!

 

[shagbite]

Also

If the electricians on here have done an apprenticeship why are they posting about nuisance tripping, lighting problems etc,

FGS get real no one regardless of how long they went to college for can know everything. As my Mrs said. Just remeber when you go to A&E the doctor who maybe treating you could be newly qualified, are you going to refuse treatment?

what do you want them to post about........physiotherapy?

 

[markc123]

You still haven't answered my question on does your 4k course guarantee an employer. Im guessing no, which then contradicts your statement of "8week course, 2 - 3 years afterwards" theres no afterwards...you just take the 4k and tell them they're qualified.

And there, in a nutshell, is what is wrong with your course.

 

[Guest111]

LOL! nice to be welcomed to the forum in such a way...

Guys let me be totally clear here.

Im more qualified than most of the electricians where I work, and whilst they may have a huge amount of experience, I've been told by management they are not safe. due to lacking up to date quals.

So if I don't know as much as you after my hard work and studying to pass the same or equivalent exams that took you however long to pass at a pace in college, then why am i qualified, when i had to sit the same exams demonstrating competency???

Go figure?

Weird?

What's a house basher, they didnt teach us this in my 8 weeks? LMFAO!

theproblem that causes arguments seems to be the modern definition of electrician,back in my day an electrician learned not only about wiring lights and sockets but also motors,control gear,conduit ,trunking,pyro and so much more and it took a long time.Now lads do a short course and class themselves as a spark equal to the ones who did it the long way and learned all the job.this cheapens it for us apprentice trained sparks as joe public dont see the difference, look how many short course lads come on here for advice when confronted by a contactor or some other "unusual piece of kit,all this was everday kit for us apprentice trained sparks.not having a dig at anyone just telling it as it is.

 

[IT SPARKY]

I doubt that doctor would of been on an 8week course. Don't start comparing careers. The electrical industry is probably the biggest mess out of the lot at the moment.

No i realise that no-one can know everything, but what chance have 8week/5week wonders got of knowing anything? As for members posting things, you don't need to be a spark to be a member on here...look at the original OP of this thread.

Agree, yes, ive been on the course an I can tell you its packed full for 8 weeks. Experienced electricians struggled also but we all got together and learnt it and passed. Difficult? Yes, Impossible? NO.