PAT Engineer Vacancy 300+ Tests A Day

[markc123]

We don't all finish at 2pm btw...just because people are on this forum alot - have you considered its maybe because they're using their phone?

Regardless of your chat - and i do understand you give a professional job/approach to pat testing, you are very organised and you use high-end gear. I just can't for the life of me see how you can do 500 in a day, 300 the way you've described maybe - but to me it sounds like abit of an exagoration. My opinion.

 

[oldtimer]

Ok lets get a few things sorted out here there is no such thing as an Professional PAT tester Me I have a trade so my advise if you are a "trained PAT tester" I would say don't be so pretentious I despair when people bandy about the Engineer and Professional words

Now as for Dell 17" 83521T flat screen and your "legally and following the guidelines to the letter" statement if you are such a professional you would have read page 127 of the 4th edition of the COP where it gives you a Equipment formal visual and combined inspection and test record and you will find Make--Model---Serial number requirements.

Sadly the ISI&TEE environment is getting saturated with pretentious guys like you who were stacking shelves in Tesco one day and after a quick PAT course you are now a Professional with an opinion that has bought in to the urban myths that PAT testing spreads hence why COP 4th edition and the HSE enquiry into the industry because of abuse.

So next time you do your superman bit and put your pants on over your trousers with your head down and you ar$e up approach to your job remember you think your being clever eating on the run in the van and no doubt with a phone stuck to your ear but you are in fact a risk factor but I don't think you can see it because of your superior attitude people like me can only be bitter and twisted fools who have squandered 38 years in this industry so me calling you a sticker bunny will be like water off a ducks back to you.

 

[UNG]

Your first mistake is using pat gaurd that is dia software especially on a pda and unfortunately all the major players use an in house software designed by one company but where companys have been brought out etc other big companys have had access to it and modified it to there own name but it does all stem from one company who won global awards for it as is not on public sale, trust me If it was I would be out there on my own rather than working for the big boys.
The second part stems to the tester its self buying it direct from seaward it still contains the factory set times rather than the regulation required minimums that the big companys are set to you need to wipe the tester of all the factory data and reprogram all the tests, ( please do not do this if u dont understand how to do it and u wont get alot of help from seaward with this as they dont like people messing with the factory settings even though the 300 is designed to do this).
A few firms send guys out with 100's though I dont recomend it as its not designed for high volume testing but it does allow the test times to be cut even more and they only provide the asset register to the client, and to a real pat tester there a kids toy.
And I find the 350 to big and heavy when ur standing on a ladder testing wall mounted tellys etc.
You will also notice most big companys have pre printed blank bar coded labels with a stamp you can stamp up 300 labels in under 5 minutes instead of hand written as that takes ages and where most single testers go wrong.
With the non public software u put the first barcode no in and its a one click roll over system to the next no.
I am happy to meet anyone to display how it works and give a training course provided they are willing to cover my time and I come with recomendations from the nhs, mod, etc etc blah blah blah lol in fact virtually anywhere that has a plug, and have stood by many an fm manager and many electricians who are far more experienced than me who says its not possible and have always been recommended for further testing by them.

I find it amazing that you resurrect a thread to tell us how efficient you are and go on to tell us how you can achieve the impossible while trying to belittle the experienced people on here who know better and can do the maths

I would doubt reprogramming all the tests on your tester would give you much time saving and suspect that carrying out tests in quick succession in less time than that allowed by the manufacturer could have a detrimental effect on the test equipment and the results obtained

With regard to the bespoke reporting software you mention, software development and the time taken to beta test costs time and money to perfect and a company is not going to do this for minimal return.
All the overheads you mention and others you don't (travel and vehicle expenses) are not sustainable at 50p / appliance and never will be no matter how you dress it up

One post wonder I stand very proud of the job I do and the many lives and fires I have saved over the years and I will always stand by and defend good engineers and companys that do the job right as the ultimate reason we do the job is to save some ideot in a suit who can count up to a million but sticks bare wires in a plug because he cant wire a plug and having the tech at hand to test in the hundreds in my eyes is the best thing.

How do you know how many lives and fires you have saved or is this just more wishful thinking on your part


You will have to accept that PAT testing is price over quality and in this budget conscious time the cheapest method to get a piece of paper to show EAWR compliance is the route taken

Personally I have followed up a PAT tester at the request of a customer who was suspicous of the time taken to test his appliances and found numerous simple faults that should of been found and one set of results was ficticous as the appliance's over temp cut out had tripped

We may be able to perform miracles but a lot of these PAT testers appear to be able to do the impossible and testing 500 appliances a day properly is beyond the impossible

 

[scp]

Its one test a minute what you need to take into account is that if ur primetest is configured to do a 500v dc class two test at two seconds ie a phone charger thats two seconds with your visual conducted as you take it out ur pulling it that verifies the casing is not in two bits flick it over and look for signs of burning snapped pins etc plug into your tester and check for case damage on the top while pressing the button to test ( bear in mind the tester is allready configured to increment the number as you test with shortcut keys )
then with pre stamped label place it on the charger and plug it back in test complete sometimes it takes less than 20 seconds so that allows a spare 40 seconds that can be used on another test when you total it up at the end of the day some tests take longer than 60 seconds some take less and note the pda already has things like the date tester serial no floor and location open plan office etc allready pre configured from drop down boxs so you only change that if you move location,
And you will find that you test in routine and enter 10 items plus in the pda at a time while walking between desks rooms etc and it is just two taps of the screen or already stored if direct tester inputing per item so time is saved again inputing between desks instead of sitting writing it in or over a coffie.
And I must stress again this is achievable in offices with easy access floor sockets etc dont expect it from every job yes I still have the building sites where I spend god knows how long repairing beat to death items plugtop changes fan covers etc or waiting in a shop for dorris to shut down the till or mr important who wont turn his pc off as he thinks the world will end if he dosnt send his email.
But it is acheivable is my only point, the same as I tested one place with a box of a thousend brand new leads and did that in 8hrs and one councils it store with 800 new pcs all all stacked on top of each other with the power inlet facing me but jobs like that are rare but shows that in excess of 500 can be tested.
Seven of the leads were reverse poliarity kids so never trust just as its new its fine there batch tested in the factory 1 in 500 etc and mr wong talks to his mate and dosnt look what hes doing or wants his sushi on a friday and rushs the job.
I may oneday youtube a video but it will have to be a job when im working with another engineer but its rare as most of my job is lone working wich also helps as u dont have someone distracting you while working but I will be sure to place a link here.

 

[Silly Sausage]

OK, you're under the tables of a group of PCs, with the rats nest of cables you usually get under there.
You're trying to tell us you can untangle that typical mess and test them all in a few minutes.

You're 'avin' a larf pal!!!

 

[markc123]

Please don't call yourself a PAT Engineer.

I imagine that you work at 100mph from the way you talk.

Upload a video when you get the chance then, and if it's true ill bite the bullet and apologise. But for now, im sticking with 500 in a day by yourself is impossible.

 

[stuartcourt]

And (IF) you are doing work before you get there does this also not need to be charged

 

[Bobster]

I'm still laughing at the position being named a pat engineer. ​haha

 

[markc123]

I'm still laughing at the position being named a pat engineer. ​haha

Makes me cringe everytime i see someone refer to it as that. Embarassing.

 

[Silly Sausage]

I'm still laughing at the position being named a pat engineer. ​haha

Oh, I don't know...
Engineers are people who can make the impossible, possible!

 

[scp]

I dont work before I start its all pre configured software all I need to do is stamp my labels set site code in the tester and test away.
The point of this topic was a job advertised at 300 tests a day and people with no knowledge of how the bigger industry works and I have tried to provide an insight to the unknowing as knowledge is power and may allow people with determination to compete with the big companys.
And I have every right to call myself a pat engineer ( though the correct terminology is electrical test engineer ) as I have all of my electrical qualifications and have chosen to use them to show that not all people in the industry are cowboys and there is more to testing than a cash cow I dedicate my knowlegde to saving lives as pat testing was created for as iv said I come highly recommended and have a returning client base who all had the same point of view as most of you here I wouldnt have that if I lied to clients by telling them 300 to 500 a day is possible and not being able to fulfil that doing the job legally and to guidelines.
And I think you will find advertising a job incorrectly is illegal so why would a company advertise a job if it couldnt be done.

 

[stuartcourt]

would be interested in learning more if you can show us as I take it this is the way it is going, is it only large jobs you would do.

 

[markc123]

I dont work before I start its all pre configured software all I need to do is stamp my labels set site code in the tester and test away.
The point of this topic was a job advertised at 300 tests a day and people with no knowledge of how the bigger industry works and I have tried to provide an insight to the unknowing as knowledge is power and may allow people with determination to compete with the big companys.
And I have every right to call myself a pat engineer ( though the correct terminology is electrical test engineer ) as I have all of my electrical qualifications and have chosen to use them to show that not all people in the industry are cowboys and there is more to testing than a cash cow I dedicate my knowlegde to saving lives as pat testing was created for as iv said I come highly recommended and have a returning client base who all had the same point of view as most of you here I wouldnt have that if I lied to clients by telling them 300 to 500 a day is possible and not being able to fulfil that doing the job legally and to guidelines.
And I think you will find advertising a job incorrectly is illegal so why would a company advertise a job if it couldnt be done.

Google Engineer.

 

[scp]

No I do any jobs the other day I was doing hoovers at two tests a pop for a uk wide fm company at a multi site day rate, my point is 300 to 500 can be done but an engineer who cares about safety dosnt care about numbers if you have one test or six months work you are entitled to a correct test on all equipment.
As iv said you can either hire a company like the one I work for or I will post a video at some stage and I dont work for the advertising company or know the way they test to endorse them.

 

[stuartcourt]

Cheers if you can would be really interested

 

[scp]

Gloucester based Epsilon Test Services was formed in 1993. The company specialises in electrical safety test services; portable appliance testing (PAT), periodic fixed installation testing and thermal imaging. The company employs over 140 engineers across the UK, all qualified to City & Guilds 2377 or 2391. Epsilon’s clients include many of the UK’s largest facilities management organisations and blue chip companies. The business invests heavily in technology and has lead innovation in the development of specialist software for electrical testing, leading to advanced reporting plus efficiency savings that create a service/price proposition that Epsilon claim is unbeaten. Epsilon holds Beacon status: an award given to those companies who can demonstrate outstanding achievement across a range of criteria, including significant improvements in productivity and performance, profitability, work culture and innovation. Beacon South West members play an important role in cultivating enterprise excellence in the region.
Though this company was brought out by bog cleaners and would never recommend them to anyone as they now use unqualified staff.

 

[scp]

Please read heavy investment in technoligy and innovation in specialised software like iv said its software not on the open market so how clever you think you are spouting pages from the guidelines like it states your an oldtimer and you may have the current guidelines book in front of you but you have never had access to the software or programmed tools so go back to your megger and blowing up pc power supplies and let me educate people who are actually interested in the part of the industry inaccessible to the ordinary engineer / electrician who wants to educate themselves to be able to compete, how many awards did you achieve moving an industry forward oldtimer thats right none!!!!!!

 

[UNG]

As normal here we go with the cafe surfing sparkies who spend there life scratching there head and spent so much of there life on building sites they think that the whole world stops at two oclock with five tea breaks and an hour lunch in between.

You obviously have as poor an opinion of us sparks as we have of you and your testing

No I dont live in disney land so lets get this straight.

More like cloud nine or that pie in the sky

It is site dependent as is all pat testing and you dont hand write labels.
1. Read prior posts before posting comments that have been answered.
THE SOFTWARE THAT I USE IS NOT ON THE OPEN MARKET SO HOW CAN YOU COMMENT AND SAY IT IS IMPOSSIBLE IF YOU HAVNT USED IT.

Given the little or lack of information you log there is very little that is special about your software and is probably little more than a simple excel spreadsheet

Thats like going to a village in the rain forest and explaining you can do 150 mph to people who have never seen a car.
Any professional pat tester who knows there job when testing preperation is the biggest key you ask your contact to send a batch email to make people aware you are testing and all pcs etc must be shutdown and if you are good at your job you will find when your testing a batch of desks in an office the next set will be shut down and ready for testing when you finish the first desk.

You live in such a world that doesn't exist as it is too ideal too be true

Please note it is not listed as dell 17" 1087t and your mental if you want to write all this out.
each item is provided a separate barcoded label so it is a vdu with the represented barcode allready listed in the pda as it rolls over from the first numbered increment so it tap vdu from the drop down menu and tap pass.
Make model and serial are charged extra to the client if they want it as are fuse listings but its another drop down box and all you do is select the fuse size though we only use it if we replace a fuse to the correct rating or perform a repair.

So you and / or your company charge extra for actually logging the appliances that are tested properly and providing an identifiable appliance audit trail unlike your basic slapdash system

As most people like me are on a price per test no I dont do lunch breaks i tend to eat in the van on the way to work or on the way home and yes it keeps me very fit not a job for sparkies who do fry ups down the cafe and I have been likend to a robot many a time but you find when your testing at a constant rate you tend not to notice time as your constantly checking leads cases etc for all the normal fault signs not eyeing up the blonde and wondering how long before your next sausage sandwich is or weather the bird on page 3 is any good while ur having a dump for an hour if you are this type of person save yourself the agro and quote your 1.50 a test and google one of the big companys and let them do it for 50p a test and you can earn a pound a pop for your copious amounts of slimfast you will need in ten years when your butt is to big to fit in your transit.

As you don't eat or drink this will obviously save on comfort breaks, even a robot would be unable to test at this speed and produce meaningful data. As for using your company for appliance testing I and assume others on this forum have reputations to protect and have clients that have higher standards than you work to

If anyone has sensible things to say other than peter pan comments I am happy to help if you feel you may benifit in moving your company forward to testing large ammounts.
And thanks for the maths lesson in real terms it equates to just under 1 test per minute and that is more than achevable if you set up properly and pre stamp your labels using a label stamp. I dont stick labels on 1.5v barcode scanners etc to make up the numbers that was a company called p*wer plus who went round with pass fail led testers at 10p a test who no longer exsists.
Remember pat testing is about taking legal responsibility and I am the first who agrees companys that lick and stick should be banned from testing full stop and the job is to save lives and should be carried out by following the guidelines to the letter and alot of faults I find are from bodge sparkies who havnt got a clue about correct loads to fuse sizes and burn the neutral to bits with incorrect cable sizes.
As I have said if you wish to cover my time I am happy to demonstrate it is more than possible that 300 to 500 tests per day can be done correctly and legally and following the guidelines to the letter.

While you appear to be trying to put yourself on the moral high ground you are as transparent as a piece of glass appliance testing is not just about saving lives it is about proving proper and adequate mantainance as required by the EAWR other than a simple sticker that could be easily replicated you have no other means of identifying anything you have tested beyond the resonable doubt a court of law would require if an injury or fatality occurred following it being tested
With your last paragraph I can only suggest you need to review your procedures in order to comply with the requirements as it is your legal resposibility

 

[UNG]

Please read heavy investment in technoligy and innovation in specialised software like iv said its software not on the open market so how clever you think you are spouting pages from the guidelines like it states your an oldtimer and you may have the current guidelines book in front of you but you have never had access to the software or programmed tools so go back to your megger and blowing up pc power supplies and let me educate people who are actually interested in the part of the industry inaccessible to the ordinary engineer / electrician who wants to educate themselves to be able to compete, how many awards did you achieve moving an industry forward oldtimer thats right none!!!!!!

Heavy investment in technology means no 50p tests as the overheads would be too high

Just had a look at the Seaward website why would you want to reprogramme a test time that is only 2 seconds as standard to save yourself at most a second

You are so up your own $*^$ (insert appropriate word) and full of a lack of a comfort break that you have to be a troll

 

[grantr37]

Pants over Head :rolleyes2: