PIR Unsatisfactory, what do you write?

[TPES]

Just thought i'd see what all you write on a PIR that is UNsatisfactory.. For the time until next inspection? And are you putting a Next inspection date label on the board even if the house is full of 1 & 2's? I've seen and heard a mix of things, also some people are re-doing a full PIR when remedial work has been carried out and others I know write a headed letter with the bill to say any remedial work carried out has rectified the codes on the PIR ("Ref No:*********" ) to give the installation a satisfactory condition.


What are you doing??

 

[rocker]

If they get me to do the remedials, within 1 month, I essentially re-write the cert, have a bit of a poke about, and don't charge them for the second inspection.. If they decide to get someone else (which no one has so far) I'd inspect the whole thing again and charge them the same for a new cert.

In the interim I have made up some red stickers, a bit like a PAT red, that says 'this electrical installation has not acheived a satisfactory grading in an official inspection. Until rectified, it should not be used. Any problems should be rectified by: '
and stick them on the CU, also surreptitiosly on a few switches and that if I know it's a rental property and the tenant isn't there. Also give the landlord a letter explaining any code 1s etc.

 

[Des 56]

The next inspection date is dependant on the observations made being rectified,so the next inspection should reflect that date, with an assumtion made that the remedial work is carried out,any new certification should then be atached to the pir
There shouldn't be need for a new pir document

 

[TPES]

So..

You do an inspection on a house that has few code 1's & 2's.

On the report where it says "recommended date for next inspection" what are you writing in that box?
If your writing a date in there then i assume you will be writing the same on a next inspection date label for the CU?

Or are you not entering a next inspection date untill after the remedial work has been completed?

 

[GrannySmiff]

I am guessing you would not put a date down as its unsatisfactory now let alone in the future, so a note explaining that fact why there is no date should be suffice. And that in your oppinion remedial work should be carried out a.s.a.p.

 

[IQ Electrical]

Our standard text on an 'unsatisfactory report is shown below, we issue the client a 'draft' report initially, with the option of having the defects repaired and a 'satisfactory' signed original issued.

"The installation is in an acceptable condition with the exception of the defects listed above. The assessment must remain as 'unsatisfactory' pending rectification of all code 1 and code 2 defects."

 

[SirKit Breaker]

Our standard text on an 'unsatisfactory report is shown below, we issue the client a 'draft' report initially, with the option of having the defects repaired and a 'satisfactory' signed original issued.

"The installation is in an acceptable condition with the exception of the defects listed above. The assessment must remain as 'unsatisfactory' pending rectification of all code 1 and code 2 defects."

I agree with you, but the model forms state that the report is valid for however long you state as long as code 1 defects are rectified.

I put a sticker on stating the date of inspection and the date of the recommended next inspection, irrespective of the outcome of the test and inspection. the sticker is only there to say when it was tested etc, it is not a sign of good health.

Cheers.......Howard

 

[nickblake]

depending on the age of installation say a domestic its every 10 years but if the installation is getting on, then reduce the time betwwen inspections , say to 3 years , but with easy cert it says , provided that all items in section 7 have have been attributed to (Code 1 requires urgent attention) ,(code 2 requires improvement)are remidialed without delay and as soon as possible respectively,items attributed a reccomendation code 3 are actioned as soon as practicle. then i think you are covered , you cant force people to do the work but if your certs say then youve covered your back , so if you do an inspection on a house its unsatisfactory with say 10 items , your basically saying it can be re inspected every 10 years or change of tenant if a rented property as long as all the items in the observations are rectified

 

[scotsparky]

I personally would say unsatisfactory and untill all codes 1 and 2s are rectifed.

As for the testing Interval that it up to the tester and it depends on wear and tear of the installation for example a factory unit using cutting and welding gear the tester may feel needs testing every year regarless of any faults found but a cuddly toy storage unit may only need testing every 5 years. its up to the testers Informed decition. That descition relys on experiance,and training. (sorry canny spell)

 

[IQ Electrical]

I agree on the 'next inspection interval' being the inspectors decision and it would probably be quite rare for a domestic inspection to be given a full 10-year interval.

Howard, we also sticker up as usual regardless of the assessment on the PIR, you are quite right in saying that the sticker records tested and test due dates only.

On the other hand, we had a client arguing that a PIR didn't need to be done because the sticker said due 2013-this sticker was applied following the addition of 1 circuit!

It is misleading...

 

[scotsparky]

if the label was applied after the addition of one circuit yes its very misleading unless a full PIR was on on the installation after the circuit had been fitted.
I would have issued an EIC to cover the circuit and statting on the EIC that no electrical inspection and teasting was done on existing circuits. NO label unless it specified it was only for one particular circuit.

 

[mogga]

the sticker after alteration is very missleading for joe Bloggs as they see a future date they associate it with the full installation

 

[IQ Electrical]

the sticker after alteration is very missleading for joe Bloggs as they see a future date they associate it with the full installation

Exactly, we write on the sticker for example 'only 1/L3 and 4/L2 tested' after additions and alterations.

 

[mogga]

Snap ss

 

[scotsparky]

ok motion seconded and carried!

 

[SirKit Breaker]

Very sticky ground Periodics. Good thread, and just goes to show how different competent people interpret things differently from each other, and we are all probably right even if we do things wrongly for the right reasons.

Cheers......Howard

 

[mogga]

lol how was your day up north other week? I have had the pleasure of the A82 this week but was right at the end of A9 last week then inverness for a couple of days start and end of week Just had meet with Mr Big boss informing me theres a load of remedials required on cottages along the canal up there about 2>3 weeks work tail end of next month I asked if he was hiring me a landrover

 

[scotsparky]

well i have been doing days and nights for the past few weeks. Night shift in Paisley next week which means a good jum out my bed and i am there. Easy shifts as well i hope

 

[High Tower]

Dear Sir, Madam

In my professional opinion using BS7671 as reference i must inform you that your installation is well and truely fuked!!

Kind Regards

Aiden

Works for me

 

[mogga]

Lucky bugga I want a right good run o nights Doing hotels the now n cant get in some rooms till after 12 , need staff to escort into "Stay over" rooms cant turn some office stuff off ect ect ect give me a nice EMPTY building to PIR but that will never happen

 

[mogga]

lol we use to use that term on Van check sheets if after 2 reports it haddent been fixed fleet office too the HUFF when one guy wrote " my van has been ******** for so long Im sending it to the scrappys "

 

[High Tower]

lol

 

[TPES]

I put a sticker on stating the date of inspection and the date of the recommended next inspection, irrespective of the outcome of the test and inspection. the sticker is only there to say when it was tested etc, it is not a sign of good health.

Cheers.......Howard

So if you do a PIR and there is a list of code 1 & 2's, and the customer doesn't want you to do any remedial work for what ever reason, what date are you then putting on for the next inspection?

 

[mogga]

In theory you shouldnt be leaving any code ones as the circuit should be isolated and danger notice issued (scheme or hand written) explaining reasons for isolation ie: unable to leave live exposed parts as for puting a date im unsure