Would this be classed as a special location?

[ian.settle1]

At the moment it is on a plug, so I guess it's outside of Part P, however I would want it to be hard wired if we were to do this seriously and have a booster bath installed.
As the shed is in the garden, it is a special location but by adding one of these booster baths, does it then need to be treated as if it was a bathroom rather than just a shed with power?

Think you will find it will come under Part P as unless you apply for change of use it will be still classified as domestic also i would do some checking as local council might be funny about running a business like this from your home.

 

[hermetic]

IEE regs used to say, "In a room with a FIXED bath or shower" Is this still the case? Obviously RCD protection and waterproof fittings (upvc conduit perhaps?)
would be a good idea. As long as you own your home it is no business of the local council until a neighbour makes a complaint! Remember they are our SERVANTS, not our masters!!!

 

[Engineer54]

IEE regs used to say, "In a room with a FIXED bath or shower" Is this still the case? Obviously RCD protection and waterproof fittings (upvc conduit perhaps?)
would be a good idea. As long as you own your home it is no business of the local council until a neighbour makes a complaint! Remember they are our SERVANTS, not our masters!!![/QUOTE]


You ever tried telling them that?? lol!! But you are right, it's just that they don't usually quite see it that way, ...Quite the opposite in fact!!! lol!!

 

[wildgoose]

This will kick it off again I'm sure

Question: Is the house supply TNCS ???

 

[mpspark]

Er...yes...anyone for an 'exporting PME' thread?

 

[hermetic]

You can't export PME mate, there's an embargo on it, but I got a mate who stuffs containers at Harwich, and I could tip him a wink if you want.:single ****:

 

[mpspark]

I thought that you can't export PME as well, although I read somewhere that that only applies if there are extraneous conductive parts in the place you are exporting to, i.e. you cannot extend the equipotential zone outside. My wooden shed has no extraneous conductive parts at all, so in that case shouldn't I be able to export PME if I choose to?

 

[Engineer54]

Please read this ''STICKY'' thread, it will clear up some of the Myths that you've heard and is still being perpetuated by the numerous scaremongers of our electrical world!! lol!!

http://www.electriciansforums.net/e...159-good-guide-exported-pme-outbuildings.html

 

[hermetic]

This is a very sore argument, in fact, if you run a sub main to a CU in your shed with a RCD it is really no different to wiring an extension or extra room to your house. This is an argument of interpretation of regulations rather than one of common sense, which we all know is anything but common! When part P came out I was part of a campaign run by an ex government advisor on electrical matters to try and stop its introduction, so as you might guess, I am not registered for part P, nor ever will be, even though I have a C&G Nat diploma in electrical engineering. When it came to wiring my own shed I ran a 2.5mm t/e in conduit to a 2 way mcb CU with an RCD, and at the house end, I fitted a fused spur with a flex and plugged it into a 13 amp socket. In other words, it is a very posh, very safe extension lead, that also is outside the scope of part P ( CUE flamewar)

 

[Engineer54]

This is a very sore argument, in fact, if you run a sub main to a CU in your shed with a RCD it is really no different to wiring an extension or extra room to your house. This is an argument of interpretation of regulations rather than one of common sense, which we all know is anything but common! When part P came out I was part of a campaign run by an ex government advisor on electrical matters to try and stop its introduction, so as you might guess, I am not registered for part P, nor ever will be, even though I have a C&G Nat diploma in electrical engineering. When it came to wiring my own shed I ran a 2.5mm t/e in conduit to a 2 way mcb CU with an RCD, and at the house end, I fitted a fused spur with a flex and plugged it into a 13 amp socket. In other words, it is a very posh, very safe extension lead, that also is outside the scope of part P ( CUE flamewar)

I can't really see that this has anything to do with Part Pee at all. More to do with electrical theory....

 

[Engineer54]

I thought that you can't export PME as well, although I read somewhere that that only applies if there are extraneous conductive parts in the place you are exporting to, i.e. you cannot extend the equipotential zone outside. My wooden shed has no extraneous conductive parts at all, so in that case shouldn't I be able to export PME if I choose to?

Check out this long Sticky thread, it will tell you what you can and can't do, along with dispelling a lot of the Myths and scaremongery that surround this subject....


A good guide For 'exported PME' and outbuildings!

 

[mpspark]

Thanks Engineer54, I knew I read something about this previously but lost the link to this guide. That clears things up nicely thanks and makes total sense!

 

[Guitarist]

Can you just confirm that this is a plastic stand-alone bath and the dogs are rinsed with a hosepipe, or is it warm water pumped from a container and recirculated?

 

[mpspark]

It is a standalone bath and hot / cold water would be supplied externally via twin hose pipes and a mixer nozzle. The waste water would drain via a waste hose into the main drain.

 

[Guitarist]

It is not really a zone containing a fixed bath or shower (just a glorified plastic bucket), plus you (or your wife) as the user are not having your body resistance significantly reduced the way you would by actually having a bath or shower. Ofc, you will be getting wet hands but this is really just a garden shed with hosepipes in and no extraneous conductive parts. It sounds like common sense must prevail here, ie supply the shed via RCD and make sure everything is IP 67 rated. Others may disagree...