3 phase domestic supply

[John-SJW]

I watched this vid on Youtube. Interesting. They have 3 phase supplies. Does anyone know the cost of upgrading from a single to a 3 phase domestic supply?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI7wxNtrorQ&lc=UgyPTN2d89tBByfm4Dx4AaABAg.9CrcYe7x50b9CsC6DnPJKw

 

[John-SJW]

I still don't understand how the system is going to cope with:
Public EV chargers
Private EV chargers
The switch from gas heating and cooking to electric
The electricity needed for hydrogen production
The electricity needed for an increasing number of electric trains.

Maybe the grid can cope with all this, all though I've only seen one man's confirmation that it can.

That one man is a top man at National Grid. They are moving over to more wind and maybe wave and tidal as time moves on. They say they can cope. The secret is grid balancing - in short electricity/energy storage. There are banks of grid storage electric batteries in large sheds around the country. The advances in batteries mean they do not need to store the energy in stored water. Listen to him again, he is very clear.

The distribution network is constantly being upgraded. The roads near me are constantly being dug up for new cables, replacing old. They put bigger current carrying cables in.

I am having a good laugh here.

 

[DPG]

That one man is a top man at National Grid. They are moving over to more wind and maybe wave and tidal as time moves on. They say they can cope. The secret is grid balancing - in short electricity/energy storage. There are banks of grid storage electric batteries in large sheds around the country. The advances in batteries mean they do not need to store the energy in stored water. Listen to him again, he is very clear.

The distribution network is constantly being upgraded. The roads near me are constantly being dug up for new cables, replacing old. They put bigger current carrying cables in.

I am having a good laugh here.

Here's one for you then. What percentage of feeder cables to lamp posts in the UK have capacity for multiple charge points? No waffle, no going off at a tangent, no YouTube videos.

 

[snowhead]

What percentage of feeder cables to lamp posts in the UK have capacity for multiple charge points? No waffle, no going off at a tangent, no YouTube videos.

I can answer that.
ZERO

 

[John-SJW]

In Westminster we have over 450 on-street electric vehicle (EV) charge points, ranging from 3kw to 22kw, with more being added to provide greater coverage for the growing number of EV owners in the City.

That is just Westminster alone. You can request to have a charger outside your home.

Electric vehicles

There are many benefits to owning an electric vehicle including free on-street parking in Westminster (when charging) and no congestion charge.

www.westminster.gov.uk

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Imagine requesting to have a petrol pump outside you home. In Westminster alone there is infinitely more charging points than petrol pumps. What percentage of lamp posts have petrol pumps on them?

They might get this in the end.
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One of the four chargers outside my place. See, I never made it up. I took this photo on the way to the shops about an hour ago. It is still there.

 

[DPG]

Imagine requesting to have a petrol pump outside you home. In Westminster alone there is infinitely more charging points than petrol pumps.

They might get this in the end.
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One of the four chargers outside my place. See, I never made it up.

Nobody is saying you made it up. You have a strange attitude.

 

[John-SJW]

Nobody is saying you made it up. You have a strange attitude.

Oh no. Everything I have written is lies or exaggerated. Read back on the thread. It must be. Hilarious.

 

[DPG]

Oh no. Everything I have written is lies or exaggerated. Read back on the thread. It must be. Hilarious.

You will find it is mostly because you avoided answering many questions, choosing often to answer what you thought, or perhaps wanted, people had asked. People are in the main not accusing you of lying.

And don't forget, there are lot of very experienced electricians on here, who are very conversant with the electrical infrastructure situation.

 

[John-SJW]

Back on topic. The Powerwall battery, from a real user.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB6jyy0Joq8&t=1s

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You will find it is mostly because you avoided answering many questions, choosing often to answer what you thought, or perhaps wanted, people had asked. People are in the main not accusing you of lying.

And don't forget, there are lot of very experienced electricians on here, who are very conversant with the electrical infrastructure situation.

The answer were already given with supporting links. What questions came were loaded and narrow focused, not understanding the big picture. Usually by someone who thinking he is clever. Sorry Mate, too wise to be dragged into that corner.

Well these electrician who think there is a problem had better take it up the National Grid man

View: https://youtu.be/ONp8dismI-Q?t=837


National Grid man Kelloway explains matters very simply. Kelloway does stress the importance of balancing the grid using energy and electricity storage using water, large electric battery banks and hydrogen. This eliminates peaker power stations. Other ideas are around to balance.

I never made it up. Look at and listen to him. Learn for once.

 

[DPG]

Back on topic. The Powerwall battery, from a real user.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB6jyy0Joq8&t=1s

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The answer were already given with supporting links. What questions came were loaded and narrow focused, not understanding the big picture. Usually by someone who thinking he is clever. Sorry Mate, too wise to be dragged into that corner.

Well these electrician who think there is a problem had better take it up the National Grid man

View: https://youtu.be/ONp8dismI-Q?t=837


National Grid man Kelloway explains matters very simply. Kelloway does stress the importance of balancing the grid using energy and electricity storage using water, large electric battery banks and hydrogen. This eliminates peaker power stations. Other ideas are around to balance.

I never made it up. Look at and listen to him. Learn for once.

Again, you answer the question you want to and not the ones I ask. So, at the risk of repeating myself too much: It is the local infrastructure managed by the DNOs that is being called into doubt. You also never answered my question about lamp post chargers.

By the way, I'm sure most of us don't need telling that balancing the grid is important. This is not a new thing.

I expect your reply will either be something childish, a youtube video, or a reference to 'the national grid man'.

You really don't want to see a balanced argument do you. I still think you have some commercial involvement somewhere. If it was just an interest of yours you would be keen to discuss advantages/disadvantages etc, but instead you just ignore things you don't like.

Update: I see you've disagreed with my question about the capability of lamp post feeders to supply charging points. How on earth can you 'disagree' with that?

 

[John-SJW]

Again, you answer the question you want to and not the ones I ask. So, at the risk of repeating myself too much: It is the local infrastructure managed by the DNOs that is being called into doubt. You also never answered my question about lamp post chargers.

By the way, I'm sure most of us don't need telling that balancing the grid is important. This is not a new thing.

I expect your reply will either be something childish, a youtube video, or a reference to 'the national grid man'.

You really don't want to see a balanced argument do you. I still think you have some commercial involvement somewhere. If it was just an interest of yours you would be keen to discuss advantages/disadvantages etc, but instead you just ignore things you don't like.

Update: I see you've disagreed with my question about the capability of lamp post feeders to supply charging points. How on earth can you 'disagree' with that?

The local infrastructure is being constantly being uprated. May not be at the end of your street, but it is. I did address that point.

The silly question about lamp post chargers was well...silly. I see no petrol pumps at lamp posts, never mind two of them.

I see you have selective amnesia when it comes to:

• Tesla's new battery, introduced within days;
• Toyota's new battery - on the market in 5 years;
• The multitude if chargers in Westminster and Kensington - that is only two;
• That you can request a charger outside your home. Try that with a petrol pump;
• National Grid say - no problem with EVs;
• EV pollute less in production of fuel;
• etc;

Try to keep with events.

 

[Mike Johnson]

Why do you guys keep feeding this troll?

John-SJW if you come back with some smart remark that was not a question or an answer to a question I wont see it as I have activated the ignore option.

 

[DPG]

The local infrastructure is being constantly being uprated. May not be at the end of your street, but it is. I did address that point.

The silly question about lamp post chargers was well...silly. I see no petrol pumps at lamp posts, never mind two of them.

I see you have selective amnesia when it comes to:

• Tesla's new battery, introduced within days;
• Toyota's new battery - on the market in 5 years;
• The multitude if chargers in Westminster and Kensington - that is only two;
• That you can request a charger outside your home. Try that with a petrol pump;
• National Grid say - no problem with EVs;
• EV pollute less in production of fuel;
• etc;

Try to keep with events.

And again you cannot give proper answers to questions, and you divert on to other things. The lamp post question is not silly, it is relevant to the claim that it would be possible to get charge points at lamp posts.
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Why do you guys keep feeding this troll?

Fair point Mike.

 

[Mike Johnson]

I came back on as I had notification that DPG had replied, what a brilliant function the Ignore is, all the John-SJW post have disappeared off the thread, wonderful, does make the post from you guys look a bit strange where you have quoted him over and over and over and over and over and (add infinitum).

 

[DPG]

I came back on as I had notification that DPG had replied, what a brilliant function the Ignore is, all the John-SJW post have disappeared off the thread, wonderful, does make the post from you guys look a bit strange where you have quoted him over and over and over and over and over and (add infinitum).

It's probably the best thing to do. But I'm intrigued by his stance. I'm sure there's more to it than just an interest.

 

[Mike Johnson]

The problem is that his stance is intransigent, he will not listen to anyone except himself.

I am just about to "Unwatch" this thread, so guys please don't think I am ignoring you.

 

[Zerax]

The problem is that his stance is intransigent, he will not listen to anyone except himself.

I think there's intransigence from both sides of the argument... some people have already decided that EVs are a waste of time and refuse to see any of the advantages. Others, who see the ICE as the work of devil, refuse to see why we even allow them on the roads !

 

[DPG]

I think there's intransigence from both sides of the argument... some people have already decided that EVs are a waste of time and refuse to see any of the advantages. Others, who see the ICE as the work of devil, refuse to see why we even allow them on the roads !

To be fair I think most of us see the benefits of EVs, and are willing to embrace them. But it's no good blindly ignoring possible issues along the way.

 

[plugsandsparks]

Seriously guys, its futile discussing this with someone who does not have a basic grasp of physics and electricity. Also someone who believes stuff on the internet / youtube without qualifying any of it is a bad decision maker. He does not even have an EV and he certainly has not had to install charging points, or explain to clients of landlords who are banned from installing charging points because of the lack of power.

I think we all know EVs weaknesses that they are trying to address, like range and charge time but sadly this just pushed the problem onto very high KW chargers. I think there are very few Evs that have an onboard charger larger than 11KW. This limits how fast they can be charged, generally its over 9 hours.

If the market goes to DC supercharging direct to the battery pack, then mere mortals will not be able to afford these chargers as they are eye wateringly expensive and the space alone rules most locations out.

These lamp post chargers and supermarket ones are just toys.

My view is leave it another 5 years, all the first adopters who are willing to put up with all these obvious weaknesses will have developed the market so that ordinary cars become viable.

 

[pc1966]

For some folk an EV is already a perfect solution for 99% of their use, even if they don't see it. And for the very occasional long-range trip it would be cheaper just to hire something else.

But unless you have a home with a drive for your charger (or very accommodating work car park) and a use-case pattern that limits the mileage requirements between charges it is still a bit out of the range of sensible decisions.

 

[Zerax]

For some folk an EV is already a perfect solution for 99% of their use, even if they don't see it.

I agree... one of the problems is that people are directly comparing EVs to ICE vehicles. My diesel van does over 400 miles between refuels... but does that mean I need the same thing with an EV ?? Of course not... but that's often what people are expecting. The days when I do > 100 miles are very very rare, so why do I need 400 miles of range ? But that's often the expectation.