How can anyone think this is acceptable ...

[Octopus]

Victorian house - just rewired.

EIC provided .......

Description of works "total rewire of all circuits. Dead tests only"

Speechless

Rant over..................

 

[Deleted member 26818]

I believe it’s acceptable to provide to an energy supplier when asking for a connection.

 

[Octopus]

This was a certificate for compliance for a rewire , existing supply , no changes to the supply ...

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Was it by an NICEIC registered electrician?
I don’t think they’re allowed to do live tests anymore.

 

[Ian1981]

Where on earth did you hear that?
How can you provide the full range of initial verification if you can’t perform live testing?

 

[Deleted member 26818]

The NICEIC have been making a big thing about working live for some time now.

 

[Octopus]

The NICEIC have been making a big thing about working live for some time now.

A competent person doing live "testing" is not working "live"

 

[Ian1981]

I work for an Niceic company and have never heard such a thing.
If you aren’t allowed to test live then there’s no point in testing at all and providing a certificate of compliance in accordance with bs7671.
The NICEIC would never impose this on their contractors.
They may advise calculating ZS rather than direct live measurement but they can’t enforce this.

 

[MDJ]

I agree the comment about the NICEIC is total bull ----

 

[Deleted member 26818]

My understanding, is that they consider it unnecessary.
Ze can be obtained by enquiry, Zs can be calculated, how they conduct RCD tests, I don’t know.

 

[MDJ]

I don’t know.

Clearly

 

[Ian1981]

If I try to enquire ze from the DNO for tncs they will say 0.35 ohms which is ridiculous and may lead to unnecessarily larger cables installed for circuits to comply with ADS

 

[MDJ]

There is no way the NICEIC will suggest not pressing a button on a loop impedence tester is fine because the reading is not required, total bull ----.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

As you are members of the NICEIC, you should be able to access their video on PIRs, where Tony Cable says Zs Testing is unnecessary.

 

[MDJ]

I have been in the NICEIC for 26 years, I couldn't give a monkeys arm pit about what tony cable says, the inspector who I used to deal with would insist on live test results.

 

[Ian1981]

Unnecessary is not the same as not allowed.
They can’t tell you not to test live as you follow bs7671 as they should.

 

[ipf]

I have been in the NICEIC for 26 years, I couldn't give a monkeys arm pit about what tony cable says, the inspector who I used to deal with would insist on live test results.

And he finished last year too. Agree...absolute crap.

 

[ipf]

I have been in the NICEIC for 26 years, I couldn't give a monkeys arm pit about what tony cable says, the inspector who I used to deal with would insist on live test results.

And he finished last year too. Agree...absolute crap....and I've been in for 30 years.

 

[MDJ]

Yep very true, I have never heard so much rubbish in one reply lol, "dead tests are not a requirement lol", next we will be told toast can be made without heat lol.

 

[ipf]

Yep very true, I have never heard so much rubbish in one reply lol, "dead tests are not a requirement lol", next we will be told toast can be made without heat lol.

......and you'll have to isolate the property to test if a circuit is dead