My "Line/Wago" Products experience...

[LineProducts]

thought it was me and my tired eyes with the 5 lever types. couldn't get the buggers to hold even after using a hammer.

? Problem was some levers snapping. No issues with the grip!

 

[telectrix]

the 2 i had , the cable clamp seemed as if it would not lift up to allow the cable to go under it. TBH, i not sure whether they were line or wago.

 

[LineProducts]

the 2 i had , the cable clamp seemed as if it would not lift up to allow the cable to go under it. TBH, i not sure whether they were line or wago.

Surprised the hammer didnt work!

 

[specs]

Ive been looking at these too, but keep putting it off. Will have to get some of these ordered!

Thanks for the review.

Try them mate, they are brilliant the time saved far outweighs the small extra expense and I for one would not be without them. just sorting out my next order for job starting next week.

 

[specs]

just placed my orders (2), I note that your L324L are from 0.75mm flex size, that's ok for me at the moment as i still have stock of this size. However in the future i feel that 0.05 would be a little cheaper as we only use LED. I could probably run all of the lighting on bell wire. Will you be introducing a 0.05 mm version.

 

[Marvo]

However in the future i feel that 0.05 would be a little cheaper as we only use LED. I could probably run all of the lighting on bell wire. Will you be introducing a 0.05 mm version.

Did you mis-type the size? I assume you're after 0.5mm....

 

[specs]

Did you mis-type the size? I assume you're after 0.5mm....

LOL I certainly did and I am.

 

[telectrix]

LOL I certainly did and I am.

should have gone to specsavers.

 

[7029 dave]

fantastic bit of kit , hope its as good as the 6 terminal Ashley jb's I used in me day.

 

[geordie]

Any tried k9 clamps by Hylec

 

[telectrix]

aren't K9 clamps dog muzzles?

 

[specs]

Any tried k9 clamps by Hylec

Just been looking them up, they look interesting , no stripping or screws they just clamp on to cable. not sure if they will be any good for what I want to use them for but they do look interesting. I am sending off for a free sample to get a closer look.

 

[Andy78]

Didn't some mention k9 clamps this week and they got slated as a fire hazard ?

EDIT: found the thread http://www.electriciansforums.co.uk...al-regulations/79899-kwik-wire-connector.html

 

[specs]

Didn't some mention k9 clamps this week and they got slated as a fire hazard ?

EDIT: found the thread http://www.electriciansforums.co.uk...al-regulations/79899-kwik-wire-connector.html

think I will give them a miss then

 

[LineProducts]

just placed my orders (2), I note that your L324L are from 0.75mm flex size, that's ok for me at the moment as i still have stock of this size. However in the future i feel that 0.05 would be a little cheaper as we only use LED. I could probably run all of the lighting on bell wire. Will you be introducing a 0.05 mm version.

Sorry about the slow reply.
There are some products out there for thinner sections but most are more expensive that the ranges we do. I will do some research and if anything interesting comes up will let you know.

 

[davethsparky]

I have a few questions regarding these line jobbies.

Why do the connectors have to be derated when used as a maintenance free connection? Does this mean that they can't actually be relied on to work at their rated current?

How does a cable tie with writing on it make the enclosure maintainance free? what is special about this cable tie in relation to any other cable tie?

I like the look of the inline 2 port connector, but could you create a simillar thing that has a lug at one end? like a push fit version of the blue/red lugs?

 

[Richard Burns]

I have a few questions regarding these line jobbies.

Why do the connectors have to be derated when used as a maintenance free connection? Does this mean that they can't actually be relied on to work at their rated current?

How does a cable tie with writing on it make the enclosure maintainance free? what is special about this cable tie in relation to any other cable tie?

I like the look of the inline 2 port connector, but could you create a simillar thing that has a lug at one end? like a push fit version of the blue/red lugs?

I forgot I was going to say something on this one.

The testing required for the maintenance free side of things must ensure that the connections do not get above certain temperatures which are lower than for accessible locations, this means that the derating of the connectors ensures that the connections are not subject to thermal stress and so will last long enough to not require maintenance.

Maintenance free junction boxes must have the MF logo and possibly the BS number to which they are compliant. Since the line boxes do not have this marking on the body, in order to meet BS7671 the cable ties have this marking and since the maintenance free requirements are for the enclosure as a whole unit this complies.

 

[davethsparky]

That's ridiculous! why aren't these connectors designed to not require maintainence full stop. This sounds to me like sub-standard parts are being produced. The connectors should be rated such that they don't suffer thermal stress anyway regardless of where they are installed. Does this mean that the connectors are likely to suffer from thermal stress when used in non MF situations and therefore will have a reduced lifespan?
Do we need to oversize the cable to avoid it placing thermal stress on the connector? surely a cable which operates at 70 degrees will still operate at 70 degrees even if the connector is down-rated? For example a line 32 amp connector de-rated to 20 amps but used to join a 1.0mm t+e running at 70 degrees will still get heated to 70degrees won't it?
This just sounds like a bodge it and scarper method of getting over cut price manufacturing.

I still don't understand why a maintenance free enclosure needs to have these special cable ties with writing on it? You use a maintenance free joint in situations where the joint is inaccessible therefore nobody will see it to read the writing?

 

[Andy78]

That's ridiculous! why aren't these connectors designed to not require maintainence full stop. This sounds to me like sub-standard parts are being produced. The connectors should be rated such that they don't suffer thermal stress anyway regardless of where they are installed. Does this mean that the connectors are likely to suffer from thermal stress when used in non MF situations and therefore will have a reduced lifespan?
Do we need to oversize the cable to avoid it placing thermal stress on the connector? surely a cable which operates at 70 degrees will still operate at 70 degrees even if the connector is down-rated? For example a line 32 amp connector de-rated to 20 amps but used to join a 1.0mm t+e running at 70 degrees will still get heated to 70degrees won't it?
This just sounds like a bodge it and scarper method of getting over cut price manufacturing.

I still don't understand why a maintenance free enclosure needs to have these special cable ties with writing on it? You use a maintenance free joint in situations where the joint is inaccessible therefore nobody will see it to read the writing?

They wont suffer a reduced lifespan in normal use, they will gain an extended lifespan by downrating for MF use. Any accessible joint should be subject to periodic inspection and test anyway.

MF markings are required for an inaccessible enclosure by BS7671 526.3(vi), and that is why the tie wraps are there to mark up a LINE enclosure should you be using it for MF purposes.

 

[davethsparky]

Which leads nicely on to the question of what the rated lifespan of the connectors is? It doesn't appear to be on their website anywhere. And what is the lifespan of the downrated connector? I assume it will be unlimited as otherwise it will not be maintenance free? And what about the conductor operating temperature? that hasn't changed so how is the connector going to experience less thermal stress by being downrated? You can still join that 1.0mm t+e in one of these MF joints with the 32A connector downrated to 20A and still working at 70degrees, how has the thermal stress on the connector been reduced by the downrating?


If the joint is inaccessible then who on earth is going to read it? If it is accessible to be read then it is accessible and therefore the label is not necessary as it is not inaccessible. Is it just there to give the rats something to read as they nibble on it?