Mental health in the electrical industry

[Buzz1980]

Hi all
Just wanted to put this out there to see if there is any other sparks that struggle with this. I have suffered from OCD/anxiety for many years now since I was really young. Over the years it has got worse and worse it can jump from anything that I worry about . I don’t have OCD where I go around cleaning everything. But I have OCD where I can’t leave things without checking all the time that I have done it correctly, but the more times I check the less blurry and less sure I am that I have done it correctly. I can come away from a job and worry that I have left switches off, cables exposed and worry that someone is going to get hurt from my work. I then go over and over in my head yeah you did screw everything back and you did check before you left. But can’t convince myself that I have. Now through out my time as a spark, I studied more done more courses etc etc and this has made me become more knowledgeable but with the more knowledge and experience I get the worse my Anxiety gets as I think back to jobs I down years ago and think oh I’ve done that wrong, oh I should have done that, oh how did I do that instead of that. Now this is when I was in my final years of apprenticeship and when I just came out of my time. This is sometimes down to bad advice from other sparks and not really looking into things myself but when I do find out the advice is wrong and should be doing things the other way. Or just not knowing any better but over the years I have gained more knowledge which is making my anxiety worse as I go over every job I’ve done scrutinise it and start worrying that someone is going to get hurt or fire break out due to the works I have done. This worry will keep with me for a while until my anxiety starts to ease off. Until the next flare up. I just wish I could start my time over again and do things the way I want to do them but this is a OCD trait wanting everything to be perfect. Just wanted to see if there are any other sparks that suffer this way. Thanks in advance ?

 

[Phil L]

I think we all can be guilty of over thinking things at times, the key is to have as much confidence in your work as possible, if you have been through rigorous training and do not cut corners you should be fine,

we all know the dangers of our industry and the consequences that could materialise should things go wrong, there is no harm in double checking the work you have done, anxiety will always be high when starting out but as time goes on and your confidence builds the second guessing will reduce

Good luck

 

[Spoon]

But I have OCD where I can’t leave things without checking all the time that I have done it correctly, but the more times I check the less blurry and less sure I am that I have done it correctly. I can come away from a job and worry that I have left switches off, cables exposed and worry that someone is going to get hurt from my work. I then go over and over in my head yeah you did screw everything back and you did check before you left. But can’t convince myself that I have.

A good practice is to take lots of pics of the work you have done that day, before you leave.
Then if you have any thoughts that you have missed something you can then go through the pics to see, rather than racking your brain, thinking what you have done and what you haven't.
It's also good if another service alters your work to suit theirs, then you have proof of what work you did.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing and everyone would love to have it. We have all done something that we may have done differently, with hindsight. Just work to the best of your abilities, make sure things are safe and don't let any high ranking muppet try and tell you do do something that you know is against the regs.

 

[Deleted account]

Not to your extent, but yes I do sometimes overthink and worry about what I’ve done.

sometimes I don’t do things by the book because it’s absolutely impossible to do some jobs and adhere to every reg going, or I leave an installation knowing there are issues that need addressing. In these circumstances I inform the customer and document it. i cannot walk away from a job unless I have.

this is a serious business, with consequences if you get it wrong. A lot of sparks don’t see it that way. But those that do tent to stress to a greater or lesser amount.

I would rather have you work for me than someone who is maybe=more experienced but doesn’t give a ......

Saying that if you really do suffer to this extent maybe this job isn’t for you. All jobs have a certain amount of responsibility, but not all can result in serious injury or death. If you had a job where if you got it wrong or made a mistake it would cause inconvenience at the worste you would stress less.

I genuinely am not saying don’t continue this job, but you have to ask yourself if your health is more important.

 

[Buzz1980]

Thanks for the replies. Yeah totally agree with all points but when you go through your time and with more studying you find out the advice given is wrong. Anxiety shoots through the roof as it’s not like you can go back to job and fix it years later. This is the issue with my OCD it latches onto things like this as I worry that my work could harm someone, this was mainly when I was in my apprenticeship or just out my time. The company I worked for was all go go go get the work done as quick as possible. I don’t like to work like that anymore I like to take my time and do a job properly now even if it takes longer. Totally easy in hindsight.

 

[Moley]

I think in this industry we all suffer in one way or another. I'm in a different field (mainly HV transformer maintenance at power stations) and once the permit has been canceled that's it. You can't go back into the TX compound to check. Luckily we usually work in teams so we can all check that the job is finished but I still worry about things some days. I find my main OCD is in the hotel. I have to line up the TV remote and assorted other things. When I leave I check everything twice to make sure I haven't left anything. I can't leave a room for the final time without looking under the bed - twice!

 

[Deleted account]

Thanks for the replies. Yeah totally agree with all points but when you go through your time and with more studying you find out the advice given is wrong. Anxiety shoots through the roof as it’s not like you can go back to job and fix it years later. This is the issue with my OCD it latches onto things like this as I worry that my work could harm someone, this was mainly when I was in my apprenticeship or just out my time. The company I worked for was all go go go get the work done as quick as possible. I don’t like to work like that anymore I like to take my time and do a job properly now even if it takes longer. Totally easy in hindsight.

I hear you.

my time working for company after I finished training was not good. I was rushed, given incorrect materials. Everything seemed a bodge, cheap and quick fix. I hated it which is why I went on my own.
Since then stress levels dropped as I would spend as much time as I needed to to the job. if it took 2 days instead of one. Fine it’s my time, my peace of mind. I now do quotes so I am able to allow more time and I know exactly what materials I need etc... so every job is easy. Well nearly every job.

also I got in with a couple of like minded sparks who I team up with on bigger jobs. We are always a phone call away for reassurance on queries we have.

 

[7029 dave]

IMO routine and process will help you, I would fill out a process tick sheet, you could make up some for different tasks, and tick them off one by one, so at the end of the day you can fall back on them and say its covered, after a while you wont need any references.

 

[pc1966]

The use of a written check list, as @7029 dave suggests, is a good idea. Yes, it is kind of hard to generate the list for every job, etc, but it allows you to know you really have ticked off each main point. And with photos to back it up, you have some means or knowing all was done well.

I once had the privilege of being in the observer's chair in a aircraft when it was taking off and getting up the its cruising level of 18,000 feet, and I was impressed by the fact they really do have a check-list for each of the key stages. The co-pilot would go down each point and the pilot did the steps required. At one point when in stable flight they both independently hand-calculated fuel use and range to check the flight was able to get to its destination with a safe margin.

While it was not done for any anxiety reason, it is normal in that area for safety which is often the underlying worry. I think the same approach has been successfully trialled in operating theatres as well, greatly reducing the rate of mistakes that are made.

 

[Spoon]

I once had the privilege of being in the observer's chair in a aircraft when it was taking off and getting up the its cruising level of 18,000 feet, and I was impressed by the fact they really do have a check-list for each of the key stages. The co-pilot would go down each point and the pilot did the steps requiered. At one point when in stable flight they both independently hand-calculated fusel use and range to check the flight was able to get to its destination with a safe margin.

Was you a young boy, and the conversation when something like this???

 

[OnlQQker]

I use to have major problems.
Until I started making a conscious effort to actually say each thing I did was ok.

The electricity in the brain is what fascinates me most!

 

[freddo]

The more you learn the more you are likely to stress about things and it can knock your confidence the Dunning Kruger curve is a good visual explanation of this. Hopefully as you keep working at it your confidence will rise and you will become less stressed. I do have similar issues as you mention but not too extreme, checking things several times, worrying if I've forgotten something and so on.

 

[Deleted account]

The more you learn the more you are likely to stress about things and it can knock your confidence the Dunning Kruger curve is a good visual explanation of this. Hopefully as you keep working at it your confidence will rise and you will become less stressed. I do have similar issues as you mention but not too extreme, checking things several times, worrying if I've forgotten something and so on.
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Really like that. I think a lot of sparks and others will relate to that.

 

[Midwest]

Everyone has feelings of aniety, like for example at a job interview. It’s when you can’t control these feelings, and they become constant and start taking over your daily life, it becomes not the norm. I get slightly obsessed with checking I’ve locked doors, going back to check after I’ve just locked it. But then I remonstrate with myself, for being foolish.

I had a friend, who in his early years, became obsessed with turing on and off lights and the gas stove. He would make his sister watch him tun them on and off, to confirm they were actually turned off; that’s on and that’s off, he would say. His anxieties became worse. He won‘t drive now, as it causes him too much stress; he used drive around and around and around a roundabout, thinking he may knocked over a cyclist, he’d passed. And he used to be a traffic cop.

Perhaps you should discuss your feelings with your GP.

 

[Dustydazzler]

This is an interesting thread and one I can certainly relate to. I have a bit of ocd , had it for years now. Things like checking doors twice when I leave home etc
I certainly have experienced this with work as well stressing about tricky jobs before they have even started, worrying if it will go to plan, double checking if I did things right etc.
A certain amount of stress / ocd is not too bad and keeps you alert, but if you start doing things 4 or 5 or 6 times it’s probably time to speak to somebod.

 

[telectrix]

I saw my psychiatrist yesterday.

He said "What's the problem?"

" I keep thinking I'm a dog". I replied.

"OK, just lie on the couch"

"I;m not allowed on the couch".

 

[Lister1987]

The more you learn the more you are likely to stress about things and it can knock your confidence the Dunning Kruger curve is a good visual explanation of this. Hopefully as you keep working at it your confidence will rise and you will become less stressed. I do have similar issues as you mention but not too extreme, checking things several times, worrying if I've forgotten something and so on.
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Like the 4 levels of competence

Unconsciously Incompetent - I don't know that I don't know

Conscioisly Incompetent - I know that I don't know, and I want to do something about it

Unconsciously Competent -i don't know that I know that I know what I'm doing.

Consciously Competent - I know that I know what I'm doing

 

[Mike Johnson]

And there is also the Peter principle.

 

[Deleted account]

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And there is also the Peter principle.

True

 

[Doomed]

Hi all
Just wanted to put this out there to see if there is any other sparks that struggle with this. I have suffered from OCD/anxiety for many years now since I was really young. Over the years it has got worse and worse it can jump from anything that I worry about . I don’t have OCD where I go around cleaning everything. But I have OCD where I can’t leave things without checking all the time that I have done it correctly, but the more times I check the less blurry and less sure I am that I have done it correctly. I can come away from a job and worry that I have left switches off, cables exposed and worry that someone is going to get hurt from my work. I then go over and over in my head yeah you did screw everything back and you did check before you left. But can’t convince myself that I have. Now through out my time as a spark, I studied more done more courses etc etc and this has made me become more knowledgeable but with the more knowledge and experience I get the worse my Anxiety gets as I think back to jobs I down years ago and think oh I’ve done that wrong, oh I should have done that, oh how did I do that instead of that. Now this is when I was in my final years of apprenticeship and when I just came out of my time. This is sometimes down to bad advice from other sparks and not really looking into things myself but when I do find out the advice is wrong and should be doing things the other way. Or just not knowing any better but over the years I have gained more knowledge which is making my anxiety worse as I go over every job I’ve done scrutinise it and start worrying that someone is going to get hurt or fire break out due to the works I have done. This worry will keep with me for a while until my anxiety starts to ease off. Until the next flare up. I just wish I could start my time over again and do things the way I want to do them but this is a OCD trait wanting everything to be perfect. Just wanted to see if there are any other sparks that suffer this way. Thanks in advance ?

We have a chap in our team just like you. He used to have his own business, but as he got older he worried more to a point where he couldn't function. He is an old school friend, so we took him on as effectively a electricians mate - he has no responsibility and he knows we will check and test everything for him.
He is now a lot happier and we have someone we know is 100% reliable and who is most excellent at marking out the spacings for downlights etc. (although some plasterers recently thought he was spying on them because he popped back to a site multiple times to check that they were not moving his cables etc)

 

[pc1966]

The problem with OCD is it has nothing to do with competence or risk, it is an illness just like any other.

 

[Pkots10]

Hi all
Just wanted to put this out there to see if there is any other sparks that struggle with this. I have suffered from OCD/anxiety for many years now since I was really young. Over the years it has got worse and worse it can jump from anything that I worry about . I don’t have OCD where I go around cleaning everything. But I have OCD where I can’t leave things without checking all the time that I have done it correctly, but the more times I check the less blurry and less sure I am that I have done it correctly. I can come away from a job and worry that I have left switches off, cables exposed and worry that someone is going to get hurt from my work. I then go over and over in my head yeah you did screw everything back and you did check before you left. But can’t convince myself that I have. Now through out my time as a spark, I studied more done more courses etc etc and this has made me become more knowledgeable but with the more knowledge and experience I get the worse my Anxiety gets as I think back to jobs I down years ago and think oh I’ve done that wrong, oh I should have done that, oh how did I do that instead of that. Now this is when I was in my final years of apprenticeship and when I just came out of my time. This is sometimes down to bad advice from other sparks and not really looking into things myself but when I do find out the advice is wrong and should be doing things the other way. Or just not knowing any better but over the years I have gained more knowledge which is making my anxiety worse as I go over every job I’ve done scrutinise it and start worrying that someone is going to get hurt or fire break out due to the works I have done. This worry will keep with me for a while until my anxiety starts to ease off. Until the next flare up. I just wish I could start my time over again and do things the way I want to do them but this is a OCD trait wanting everything to be perfect. Just wanted to see if there are any other sparks that suffer this way. Thanks in advance ?

Hey mate, I’m new to the self employed industry and am pretty much going through exactly what you have stated. It’s becoming a bit of a struggle from me and I’m wondering if you found any ways to relieve this pressure always out on yourself

 

[e-spark]

I suffer with depression, anxiety and complex PTSD so I get you and sympathise. can be very debilitating and make you doubt yourself at times but I try to step back and rationalise things. Only thing i suffer at work is anxiety about chasing invoices etc with the responsibility of a family and wages etc to pay out luckily my work is an escape.
Seen a few posts on here tbh where its a bit of a pile on when someone is genuinely seeking pointers, be mindful id say of what context you post; that's just me though.

 

[e-spark]

Hey mate, I’m new to the self employed industry and am pretty much going through exactly what you have stated. It’s becoming a bit of a struggle from me and I’m wondering if you found any ways to relieve this pressure always out on yourself

Everyone has this id say especially if you are on your jack, you can be the best spark in the world when its a company you work for that's on end of the phone etc but when your on the lonesome and things go pear shaped its different story especially if a bad day turns to bad week or month.
I was in your situation bit ago and in my situation I carried on sticking to the basics when things do go wrong, its all experience and gets easier if it was easy every gobshite super spark would do it pal.
give yourself a day off with no phone on is the best tonic for me

 

[UNG]

I think the same approach has been successfully trialled in operating theatres as well, greatly reducing the rate of mistakes that are made.

In operating theatre's there is an inventory taken of all the equipment and any disposables like swabs and at the end of the op it is all accounted for

I never thought too much about mental health issues until I was pushed to the edge and came extremely close to suicide a few times. It all started when my business partner at the time went to see his doctor who thought his stress problem was bad enough to put him on suicide watch a few months later he was close to a nervous breakdown and the two companies we had were put into liquidation due to HMRC screwing up our tax payments to the tune of £20,000 a few months earlier and effectively taking another £20,000 out of our cashflow as we had to pay the tax again to avoid court proceedings and costs and that is when my problems started as the insolvency service started trying to push me into bankruptcy. I ended up seeing a psychiatrist as they wanted to know if I was mentally fit enough to go to court, during that visit I was told by the psychiatrist that I had never intended to commit suicide as I hadn't written a note and those people who are actually going to do it leave a note which I have since found out is not true. That was 15 - 17 years ago I still have the occasional "dark" day even now but I have learnt how change my mind set when I feel it happening
What I find a problem with are the mental health "experts" and "professionals" their experience and understanding is taken from books by other "experts" and "professionals" with no real world first hand understanding of what they are dealing with and in a lot of cases make the situation even worse than what it was
I applaud the OP for his openness on here because the hardest part is talking about it for fear of embarrassment, being seen as a bit loopy, then there is how it effects your esteem, in my case I had become a failure and let a lot of employees down
At times it is good to unload, we all have our little traits that we don't think twice about being a mental health issue but are in some cases now seen as the possible onset of Dementia or Alzheimer's

 

[Tart83]

Brother, I know EXACTLY what you mean

 

[OnlQQker]

Things happening in the past and not dealt with at the time can have a nasty habit of catching back up with you, I always referred to it like a snowball rolling down hill, getting bigger and bigger.
This in turn can lead to depression, and the severity of it depends on the traumas. Yet 'depression' doesn't really operate at it's best until it brings in its mate 'Anxiety' and that's the moment it turns into a real rollercoaster ride!
As a lot of people know Depression is looping over something in the past kind of hoping it can be magically fixed, I sat Days/Months/Years going over and over the past, talking to therapists and swallowing pills like they had gone out of fashion, ended up in hospital and then 'Anxiety' introduced itself.
Anxiety is the other side of Depression, it's worrying about the future, and more so trying to have control of the future. This run its course until one day I said to myself no more.

Well with all of my study of certain methods it should of been a dead cert. But it failed and 10 years on I'm still here.

But the major turning point after all of this was

1/ The only time that exists is the one you are in now, yesterday has gone and tomorrow isn't here yet.
2/ How ever hard things get it's not forever anyway. Things can change but you have to put the work in, I mean like take a walk in the woods, connect with the nature of the world, buy a telescope and map the stars, or a camera and take photos, anything that can keep you in the time you're in.

I wouldn't say I'm out of the woods by far, I'm still homeless and wandering around like a fart in a trance, but every time I feel myself dipping, I write some music, go into the woods with my camera, and just remind myself that this is the time right now, not back then, and not tomorrow.

I also write quite regularly on the Suicide forum, trying to help people out of the very same pit that I fell into. I'm no expert in the field but I am familiar with the bottom of the pit, or the bottomless pit I should say.
This all crept up on me over a period of years, I didn't see it coming and beforehand I wouldn't of believed it possible. But it is a real thing, and boy can it bite you in the arse!

Years ago I read a book, I don't know what it was called and who it was by, but some words come back to me a couple of years ago, it went something like this.
It does get better in the end, and if it doesn't get better, then it's not the end...

 

[Electrics]

It's diet and lifestyle related. Sugars (of all kinds, including those contained in vegetables) do very strange things to your body and mind.)

Key is slimming down, getting enough saturated fat and eating very little sugar, combined with not eating all the time (skipping breakfast and lunch is a very good idea.)

This is just a suggestion - i'm not interested in debating this with anyone, since i know it flies in the face of the conventional medical wisdom that tells us to eat 5 portions of veg a day and eat every 2 hours to keep up our energy levels. But from a personal perspective, i used to be weighty, ate from waking up to going to bed and had poor mental health. I now don't eat until i get home from work (nothing but water at work) and when i do eat i don't eat carbs because they are essentially pure sugar as far as your metabolism is concerned.

If OP wants to look further i'd suggest looking into the benefits of intermittent fasting and severely low carb diets that work miracles for so many.

 

[Midwest]

Suppose what works & is good for you.

I've been working almost every weekend, for well over a year now, doing stuff at home. Generally, I also only eat in the evening at weekends. I lost over a stone. If I could only cut out the booze, I'd lose more. But then with only about 20 years left, why the hell should I. ?

 

[Electrics]

Suppose what works & is good for you.

I've been working almost every weekend, for well over a year now, doing stuff at home. Generally, I also only eat in the evening at weekends. I lost over a stone. If I could only cut out the booze, I'd lose more. But then with only about 20 years left, why the hell should I. ?

Yep, it works like magic for both hormones and weight loss which are inextricably linked (insulin resistance is the biggest problem in the west and it goes away when you cut carbs and constant eating).

It's also magical for mental health. Sadly too many people won't even try it because it goes against the 'conventional' wisdom of 'eat plants like a ruminant even though you're not designed for it and make sure you eat every few hours otherwise you'll have no energy'.

If i do sometimes have something to eat at work at lunch i'm always really sluggish in the afternoon. If i eat nothing until i get home my energy is amazing.

 

[Tart83]

I think we may have digressed here from the OP’s questions

 

[telectrix]

Suppose what works & is good for you.

I've been working almost every weekend, for well over a year now, doing stuff at home. Generally, I also only eat in the evening at weekends. I lost over a stone. If I could only cut out the booze, I'd lose more. But then with only about 20 years left, why the hell should I. ?

slippry slope there, cut out the booze. next is stop smoking cannabis. then give up snorting coke. what's left? ???

 

[Spoon]

slippry slope there, cut out the booze. next is stop smoking cannabis. then give up snorting coke. what's left? ???

I'm not giving up cheesecake.

 

[Tart83]

Hi all
Just wanted to put this out there to see if there is any other sparks that struggle with this. I have suffered from OCD/anxiety for many years now since I was really young. Over the years it has got worse and worse it can jump from anything that I worry about . I don’t have OCD where I go around cleaning everything. But I have OCD where I can’t leave things without checking all the time that I have done it correctly, but the more times I check the less blurry and less sure I am that I have done it correctly. I can come away from a job and worry that I have left switches off, cables exposed and worry that someone is going to get hurt from my work. I then go over and over in my head yeah you did screw everything back and you did check before you left. But can’t convince myself that I have. Now through out my time as a spark, I studied more done more courses etc etc and this has made me become more knowledgeable but with the more knowledge and experience I get the worse my Anxiety gets as I think back to jobs I down years ago and think oh I’ve done that wrong, oh I should have done that, oh how did I do that instead of that. Now this is when I was in my final years of apprenticeship and when I just came out of my time. This is sometimes down to bad advice from other sparks and not really looking into things myself but when I do find out the advice is wrong and should be doing things the other way. Or just not knowing any better but over the years I have gained more knowledge which is making my anxiety worse as I go over every job I’ve done scrutinise it and start worrying that someone is going to get hurt or fire break out due to the works I have done. This worry will keep with me for a while until my anxiety starts to ease off. Until the next flare up. I just wish I could start my time over again and do things the way I want to do them but this is a OCD trait wanting everything to be perfect. Just wanted to see if there are any other sparks that suffer this way. Thanks in advance ?

Your post is actually very helpful to other people in the same boat as you

 

[Mccrory1701]

Hi all
Just recently joined forum.

I am a 58 year old Approved electrician / currently a site supervisor

I would like to find out if there would be a space to talk about and address Electricians mental health and awareness on this forum.
I personally have been through the wringer so to speak - and have experienced all the lows -UNFORTUNATELY electricians have the highest mental and emotional /divorce /suicidal / and financial problems recorded to date . That’s why your insurance is so high .

I have carried out talks and workshops on Crossrail/ Skanska /Boueges and others with great success with participation from all.- Remember men do have a hard day -and all too committed we do not communicate that to our loved ones and colleagues until it is too late !
Ps -Why did they let me go ! -Why was everyone getting on my case etc!

Sorry for long winded message -I have have helped others reach that point of no return PRESSING THE ---- OFF BUTTON
Ihope I can reach out
Dave McCrory

 

[OnlQQker]

Interesting read...

Earthing: Health Implications of Reconnecting the Human Body to the Earth's Surface Electrons - PMC

Environmental medicine generally addresses environmental factors with a negative impact on human health. However, emerging scientific research has revealed a surprisingly positive and overlooked environmental factor on health: direct physical ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[DPG]

Interesting read...

Earthing: Health Implications of Reconnecting the Human Body to the Earth's Surface Electrons - PMC

Environmental medicine generally addresses environmental factors with a negative impact on human health. However, emerging scientific research has revealed a surprisingly positive and overlooked environmental factor on health: direct physical ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The opening section seems to suggest that we have more illnesses because of modern living, eg. carpets, insulating shoes etc. But that doesn't quite stack up with life expectancy generally going up. And is certainly way higher than times when people walked around without shoes on!

And I'm not sure how sleeping whilst connected to an earth cable makes 'earth electrons' transfer into the body.

 

[OnlQQker]

The opening section seems to suggest that we have more illnesses because of modern living, eg. carpets, insulating shoes etc. But that doesn't quite stack up with life expectancy generally going up. And is certainly way higher than times when people walked around without shoes on!

And I'm not sure how sleeping whilst connected to an earth cable makes 'earth electrons' transfer into the body.

Life expectancy going up would be based on past statistics, depending on how old you are most people grew up with home cooked food, vegetables, more physical exercise like walking to school (not the walking they do now with a headset on which is currently going to a whole new level with the metaverse) and less pollution.
However when these figures are revisited again in 60 years from now I don't think they will be as high as they are now.

I'm not sure on this Earthing lark either, but what study I have done on just before the Bronze age and Archaeological finds, kind of suggests they had good teeth, no bone deficiency's and long lived lives.

Then Clarkes the shoe shop came along and everything changed.

I believe a lot of answers actually do lay in the past, when the fight and flight thing was a physical element, and not so much of a mental element that it has become today.

 

[DPG]

Life expectancy going up would be based on past statistics, depending on how old you are most people grew up with home cooked food, vegetables, more physical exercise like walking to school (not the walking they do now with a headset on which is currently going to a whole new level with the metaverse) and less pollution.
However when these figures are revisited again in 60 years from now I don't think they will be as high as they are now.

I'm not sure on this Earthing lark either, but what study I have done on just before the Bronze age and Archaeological finds, kind of suggests they had good teeth, no bone deficiency's and long lived lives.

Then Clarkes the shoe shop came along and everything changed.

I believe a lot of answers actually do lay in the past, when the fight and flight thing was a physical element, and not so much of a mental element that it has become today.

I agree, but it skews the results and their hypothesis somewhat.

 

[UNG]

Life expectancy going up would be based on past statistics, depending on how old you are most people grew up with home cooked food, vegetables, more physical exercise like walking to school (not the walking they do now with a headset on which is currently going to a whole new level with the metaverse) and less pollution.

Did we have less polution 50 -60 years ago I remember the choking smogs we used to get when every house had a coal fire and smokeless coal was an option, I've never seen that in the last 40 years or have we changed how we define polution with better analysis today than we had decades ago, although how much polution can be attributed to the internet when compared to what vehicles produce

However when these figures are revisited again in 60 years from now I don't think they will be as high as they are now.

Statistics can be twisted to suit the agenda of those publishing them, speak to any good statistician and they will tell you that

I'm not sure on this Earthing lark either, but what study I have done on just before the Bronze age and Archaeological finds, kind of suggests they had good teeth, no bone deficiency's and long lived lives.

I always remember a BBC Tomorrows World program back in the late 60's or early 70's where is was suggested as we ate more processed food we would probably need to eat a soil sandwich every so often to ensure we maintained the levels of trace elements that our bodies need to function properly

Then Clarkes the shoe shop came along and everything changed.

Ahhh the Clarkes shoe shop getting your feet measured so you got the right shoes so your feet grew properly, is it still a thing these days or has must have fashion taken over

I believe a lot of answers actually do lay in the past, when the fight and flight thing was a physical element, and not so much of a mental element that it has become today.

As the saying goes "What goes around comes around" the problem now is life is run far faster today with the I want it now culture than it was before the internet, 20 - 30 years ago you waited for the postman now documents and high quality pictures can be on the other side of the world in seconds

When I was installing radio data links 15 - 20 years ago one question that was often asked when we were doing pre installation survey's was how much radiation will this radio put out, the standard response from the radio engineer was a lot lees than you have blasted into your head taking that mobile phone call, so maybe after a day of taking mobile phone calls we need to sleep with an earth lead attached to discharge all EMR from the days phone calls