Can I still work as an electrician

[richard7467]

Newbie,

i'm leaving the Royal Navy in a month and have/had work lined up working with a friend as an electrician.

The worry I have now is that I feel I may have been lead a merry dance after speaking to NAPIT today geres where i am and hopefully someone out there can spare me the time and put me straight, i'll try and keep it down to a minimum.

1. Im almost finished my electrical installations full scope incorporating Part P the exam for the 2394 takes place April 17TH, 17TH Passed ECS Passed and CITB competance passed doing the assessments of installations next week thats the testing of installations
2. 2395 course 3 weeks time with the exam on the 16th A;pril

My problem is that can i still once passed verify my own work and also test other peoples work once i have these qualifications as i'm now aware that as of 1st April all this goes into one bundle and you will need NVQ3 to do any work at all with out having to bring a building authority in every time i do a job. Confused as hell here cause i was lead to believe get the quals join NAPIT or the like and off you go...now I may have wasted alot of money and time trying to set myself up for work and may have to seriously rethink my plans

I was hoping to be able to be up and running with my boss/wage payer being able to let me crack on notify NAPIT when needed without the added expense of having to bring a building reg inspector in

All help appriciated sorry if it is a bit confused and terminoligy is a bit off.

Cheers Rich

 

[telectrix]

OK, you have 17th ( 2382). now you can apply to join natip or elecsa ( there's another one, nick or summat ). all you need is a job for assessment, a calibrated MFT, PL insuranvce, and a few other bits they'll ask for. pay then £400+ and you're good to go,

 

[richard7467]

Cheers for that mate even though i wont be fully qualified ie 2395 2394 exams in April (passed the date of change) and wont recieve the certificates to prove this until 6 to 8 weeks later. See whats gripped me is that none of this has been explained to us dispite the course im doing being sponsored by NAPIT themselves haha couldnt write it! Yes ive passed Part P ECS and the 17th so far but dont have the certifcates as yet to prove this im doing the practical part of the 2394 next week....christ so much.

Do I have to join NAPIT or the like and if I didnt what extra costs and work would that land me with

So i'll be able to self certify all my own work and then at a later date do the periodic inspections

Hmm sorry for this mate but im hearing so many different things

 

[telectrix]

you can do the inspections without joining a scheme. it's just the remedials, if notifiable, that would limit you. come april, trhere will be fewer notifiable jobs. basically, new circuits, outside works, and works in bathrooms will be notifiable.

 

[richard7467]

you can do the inspections without joining a scheme. it's just the remedials, if notifiable, that would limit you. come april, trhere will be fewer notifiable jobs. basically, new circuits, outside works, and works in bathrooms will be notifiable.

So basically I could do any work other than that that's in bold unless I join a scheme if thats true may as well pack me bags and head for Saudi sorry if im being thick.

 

[ste77]

unfortunately you'll just be in the same boat as most others having to fork out a tidy sum to get someone else to notify your work. thankfully they dont have any of that crap north of the border.

 

[richard7467]

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So basically I could do any work other than that that's in bold unless I join a scheme if thats true may as well pack me bags and head for Saudi sorry if im being thick.

Doesnt leave much work really then as I see it.....really am not impressed with NAPIT seeing as they sponsor the course im doing and have failed to inform me about the changes in membership come 6th April cheers NAPIT

I was intending finishing these courses apply for membership get the two installs assessed and on my merry way around June....seems this will not be achievable giving the time scale and even if and when ive completed all the exams all im gonna really be able to do is wire a bleeding plug!

This country sucks really do think its time to emigrate!

Anyway thanks for your guidance mate

 

[ste77]

i think your quitting too early, there will be a lot of other people in the same boat as you, i dont see that they can exclude these people from doing work and from earning a living, as i gather it there are still a lot of things up in the air. id finish your courses and carry on as you were planning, NAPIT obviously dont know whats happening and thats why they arent giving you a concrete answer. What branch of the navy are you leaving? Stoker perhaps?

 

[Skyba]

OK, you have 17th ( 2382). now you can apply to join natip or elecsa ( there's another one, nick or summat ). all you need is a job for assessment, a calibrated MFT, PL insuranvce, and a few other bits they'll ask for. pay then £400+ and you're good to go,

It's all changing as of April, if you don't have an nvq3 anyone who is not already part of a scam will have to do a NVQ type site diary through the scheme before they will let them join. NAPIT told me the other day they don't know if they'll be offering the course or not, the guy told me on the phone that because I have my NVQ I'll be able to register but people without wont be able to after April but went on to say that they may offer a course but they don't know yet.

no offence to the OP but IMO this is a change that is long overdue!

 

[Mainman]

Yes you are right, Part P is changing in April. Scotland has it's own scheme, England is changing the scheme and Wales will be staying as it is for the next 5 years. So depending on where you work, you will have tonotify differently.

As for the qualifications, you DO NOT have to do a NVQ 3. You have to do a Level 3 in Domestic installations which is a 5 day course. The scheme operators are City & Guilds or EAL. Both schemes are still being piloted at satellite centres. The City & Guilds qualification is the 4141-01 and the EAL Scheme is the ELTD (Electrotechnical for Domestic Dwellings). It is unlikely you will find a centre yet because they haven't "gone live".

Check with the regulatory trade bodies such as the NICEIC or Elecsa for instance because they may accept what you have if you apply before 31st March but be quick

 

[Geoffsd]

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So basically I could do any work other than that that's in bold unless I join a scheme

No - You can do any work as long as you are competent,

If you are not registered with a scheme then you have to notify the LA, and pay them.

if thats true may as well pack me bags and head for Saudi sorry if im being thick.

Yes - nice free society there.


Also, tel not quite right - after April the only notifiable work is -

New circuits, Consumer units and work in Special locations.

 

[Skyba]

Yes you are right, Part P is changing in April. Scotland has it's own scheme, England is changing the scheme and Wales will be staying as it is for the next 5 years. So depending on where you work, you will have tonotify differently.

As for the qualifications, you DO NOT have to do a NVQ 3. You have to do a Level 3 in Domestic installations which is a 5 day course. The scheme operators are City & Guilds or EAL. Both schemes are still being piloted at satellite centres. The City & Guilds qualification is the 4141-01 and the EAL Scheme is the ELTD (Electrotechnical for Domestic Dwellings). It is unlikely you will find a centre yet because they haven't "gone live".

Check with the regulatory trade bodies such as the NICEIC or Elecsa for instance because they may accept what you have if you apply before 31st March but be quick

Is it a 5 day course??

The college with which I did my NVQ have been told that its a 250 learning hours course and a site diary, and niceic and napit both told me it would be some sort of site diary.

Too many cooks spoil the broth, as per usual we'll never really know what they really want until they release it. Was the same with the new NVQ as I was the last year to do the old one, well I thought I was until the scared us into signing up early paying them the money then it was extended lol. Apparently it's only just recently stopped accepting people lol.

 

[richard7467]

i think your quitting too early, there will be a lot of other people in the same boat as you, i dont see that they can exclude these people from doing work and from earning a living, as i gather it there are still a lot of things up in the air. id finish your courses and carry on as you were planning, NAPIT obviously dont know whats happening and thats why they arent giving you a concrete answer. What branch of the navy are you leaving? Stoker perhaps?

Yes leaving as an Engineering Technician was a marine engineer electrical but swapped over to get my foundation degree

 

[ste77]

Yes leaving as an Engineering Technician was a marine engineer electrical but swapped over to get my foundation degree

How long have you been in? i was a stoker 98-04. like i said previously dont give up until all doors are shut in your face, remember the people that offer these schemes are money making organisations, they need your annual money to survive too

 

[richard7467]

Cheers all for your input wish I had known of this change when I put myself down for the course August last year then I would have set aside founds for it all :S Can anyone tell me how much on average does a LA charge when you notify and how many installations could they do in a oner say fitted bathroom/kitchen outside lighting could all this work be done (converting an old school into flats) then call them in? or do you have to notify them every single time a installation is finished im hoping it can all be done first then notifying, im not going to be doing domestic installation as such well not in and out of peoples houses more site work but obviously wouldnt turn my nose up at the oppurtunity of extra work.

 

[Johnuk]

yea don't waste your money on the get qual quick course they are the biggest waste of money

 

[richard7467]

21 years im on the new pension so the extra year doesnt add up to much mate T42 rating last ship was T23 though. Yeah im just a bit fed up as I had it all planned i was hoping to work with my mate wworking for this developer, he is a sparky but an all round builder but he hasnt kept his sparkys ticklets up so I was hoping to do all the certification and notification with out the LA coming in and holding me at ransom for my hard earned cash. Didnt realise I had to belong to a body of what ever????

 

[ste77]

as i said everyone has to pay it, its not like its only you, most people factor it into their prices. if its 400 quid a year to subscribe thats 8 quid a week. not gonna break the bank mate. yeah i was on fearless and a minesweeper, got out when top mast came in

 

[richard7467]

Knew a few lads from the fearless. Yes like you said its not much thats not what im worried about its because I may not be able to regigister to NAPIT or the like do to this change in April and that would tie my hands to calling the LA for every notifiable job how much is that per call?

 

[ste77]

you seem to just be focusing on NAPIT, there are a few others you could register with, i think because your doing their course youve got tunnel vision, there is the NICEIC, Elecsa and maybe a couple of smaller firms. I personally dont think everything will be in place for them to close the doors by April. The LA are very expensive thats why most people are pointed in the direction of a scheme.

 

[richard7467]

you seem to just be focusing on NAPIT, there are a few others you could register with, i think because your doing their course youve got tunnel vision, there is the NICEIC, Elecsa and maybe a couple of smaller firms. I personally dont think everything will be in place for them to close the doors by April. The LA are very expensive thats why most people are pointed in the direction of a scheme.

Yes your right i contacted NICEIC today and they confirmed that if I register now before the change date the changes will not effect me and I will be able to pay in instlements which has eleviated my fears some what.

Also NICEIC have also suggested as much that the change will not happen until next year in full because that going to leave alot of contractors out in the cold so they although they cant confirm they have said the extra year will give sparkys a chance to get on necessary courses (more money)! and they still cant be sure because if this is athe case courses will be swamped.......

Guess we will have to wait and see

Cheers all

 

[Engineer54]

because that going to leave alot of contractors out in the cold

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Not contractors, but under trained, inexperienced so-called DI's, which are their bread and butter!! And who should really, never have been registered as competent in the first place!!

 

[richard7467]

Not contractors, but under trained, inexperienced so-called DI's, which are their bread and butter!! And who should really, never have been registered as competent in the first place!!

Cheers thats a big help!! ive been involved with electrics in one form or another for over 2 decades mainly 3 phase does that make me inexperienced? not being funny but the testing of installations isnt exactly rocket science is it???

 

[Octopus]

Newbie,

i'm leaving the Royal Navy in a month and have/had work lined up working with a friend as an electrician.

The worry I have now is that I feel I may have been lead a merry dance after speaking to NAPIT today geres where i am and hopefully someone out there can spare me the time and put me straight, i'll try and keep it down to a minimum.

1. Im almost finished my electrical installations full scope incorporating Part P the exam for the 2394 takes place April 17TH, 17TH Passed ECS Passed and CITB competance passed doing the assessments of installations next week thats the testing of installations
2. 2395 course 3 weeks time with the exam on the 16th A;pril

My problem is that can i still once passed verify my own work and also test other peoples work once i have these qualifications as i'm now aware that as of 1st April all this goes into one bundle and you will need NVQ3 to do any work at all with out having to bring a building authority in every time i do a job. Confused as hell here cause i was lead to believe get the quals join NAPIT or the like and off you go...now I may have wasted alot of money and time trying to set myself up for work and may have to seriously rethink my plans

I was hoping to be able to be up and running with my boss/wage payer being able to let me crack on notify NAPIT when needed without the added expense of having to bring a building reg inspector in

All help appriciated sorry if it is a bit confused and terminoligy is a bit off.

Cheers Rich

This is the BIG unknown quantity from 1st April (how apt) as not one of the schemes, to my knowledge, has yet to decide how this is to work??

 

[ste77]

Glad to see youve got a little light at the end of the tunnel. Sometimes is best not to listen to chinese whispers and go straight to the horses mouth lol

 

[monkee]

just finished exams now taking on the world good luck ps charge alot because some poeple took years to get there

dont take a fence cause its made of wood just need to let of steam good luck

 

[grantr37]

Newbie,

i'm leaving the Royal Navy in a month and have/had work lined up working with a friend as an electrician.

The worry I have now is that I feel I may have been lead a merry dance after speaking to NAPIT today geres where i am and hopefully someone out there can spare me the time and put me straight, i'll try and keep it down to a minimum.

1. Im almost finished my electrical installations full scope incorporating Part P the exam for the 2394 takes place April 17TH, 17TH Passed ECS Passed and CITB competance passed doing the assessments of installations next week thats the testing of installations
2. 2395 course 3 weeks time with the exam on the 16th A;pril

My problem is that can i still once passed verify my own work and also test other peoples work once i have these qualifications as i'm now aware that as of 1st April all this goes into one bundle and you will need NVQ3 to do any work at all with out having to bring a building authority in every time i do a job. Confused as hell here cause i was lead to believe get the quals join NAPIT or the like and off you go...now I may have wasted alot of money and time trying to set myself up for work and may have to seriously rethink my plans

I was hoping to be able to be up and running with my boss/wage payer being able to let me crack on notify NAPIT when needed without the added expense of having to bring a building reg inspector in

All help appriciated sorry if it is a bit confused and terminoligy is a bit off.

Cheers Rich

Another victim of the RN .....

 

[grantr37]

21 years im on the new pension so the extra year doesnt add up to much mate T42 rating last ship was T23 though. Yeah im just a bit fed up as I had it all planned i was hoping to work with my mate wworking for this developer, he is a sparky but an all round builder but he hasnt kept his sparkys ticklets up so I was hoping to do all the certification and notification with out the LA coming in and holding me at ransom for my hard earned cash. Didnt realise I had to belong to a body of what ever????

I have a connection with 51 years service and they shaft you even when you get to that stage.....institutionalised and brainwashed, sitting behind a desk now joined at 15, now 66 and they still won't let him go...and he loves them which is sad....