Fire system recommendations

[tazz]

You will need Sav-wire bases with Kentec 2-wire, so apollo sav bases, with s65 detectors. Fulleon wafer base sounders, kac call points.
from the panel each room would require sounder base, sav base and s65 heat detector, landings entrance, use sav bases & s65 optical smokes. use roshni wall sounders here (base sounders are only for confined areas) Each level and entrance/exits will require call points.
Finally each room will require a separate mains smoke alarm.

Would recommend checking with BC when applying for hmo licence, as each council has different ideas.

 

[Ken_Johnson]

Do I have everything covered with the following?

PANEL - Kentec T11 (two wire):

Kentec Electronics Ltd. :: Sigma CP

Apollo Series 65 Sav Wire Base - 45681-206

Fire Detection Solutions, Apollo Fire Detectors Ltd - Series 65 Sav-Wire Base

Smoke - Apollo S65 optical smoke detector with magnetic test switch and LED - 55000-315

Cooper Fulleon Squashni Micro Base Sounder - for rooms

Fulleon Roshni Sounder, Red - ROLP-R with Shallow Base - for landings.

Call points - KAC Conventional Resettable Call Point 470 ohm - MCP1A-R470SF-01

Heat detector for kitchen - there are different heat detector classes listed (A1R, BR, CR, CS) - what do these mean?

 

[tazz]

All ok apart from optical smoke sensor, you don`t need magnetic test switch....so 55000-317 will be fine.
Heat detectors are set by temp rise of heat, ending in R....so A1R is 57 deg, BR is 75 deg & CR is 90 deg. Suggest you used A1R.
They detect rapid changes in heat.

 

[Ken_Johnson]

Great!

Is the LED light smoke worth getting for visual indication?

 

[tazz]

Your choice, not really needed in HMO, only required in Public buildings, toilets, schools and hotels

 

[Ken_Johnson]

Probably a daft question but in a HMO, how does one tell if a smoke is dodgy and needs replacing? If the system is divided by zone (1 zone per floor), would it just point to the relevant floor?

 

[tazz]

This is why maintenance is imported to test the system at least 2 a year. Im a bit worried that this install maybe a bit above your capabilities.

 

[Ken_Johnson]

Definitely! Not doing it on my lonesome but with an experienced colleague.

Just one more question - is there a SD I could use which has a sounder built in?

 

[tazz]

Definitely! Not doing it on my lonesome but with an experienced colleague.

Just one more question - is there a SD I could use which has a sounder built in?

Yes you could use Apollo Alarmsense equipment. still 2 wire connection. bases come with built in sounders and sounder/strobes.
Kentec also make an Alarmsense panel

 

[Ken_Johnson]

Good shout!

All the components seem to map across except that I don't need separate sounders:

Kentec Alarmsense panel - Sigma CP-A

Apollo AlarmSense Sounder Base - 46581-510 or beacon base 46581-509

Apollo AlarmSense Optical Detectors - 55000-390

Apollo AlarmSense Heat Detector (A1R) - 55000-190

Apollo AlarmSense Manual Call Point - 55000-894

 

[Ken_Johnson]

By the way, is there much in it in terms of Kentec versus Haes?

 

[tazz]

No they are both good panels. I find haes a bit expensive, but they both have alot of programming features not found in other panels.

 

[Harni]

I prefer the new Haes panel to the Kentec ones. Both very good but the new Haes has a lot of features which others dont as Taz says. Plus they are very simple to install with bags of room.