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My neighbours and I have to share a private sewerage plant as we’re off the beaten track. The plant had a 0.5HP single phase blower which oxygenated the treatment plant. The blower ran 24 x 7. That said, when it broke down the maintenance company didn’t seem too concerned that it was out of action for more than 3 weeks – “It’ll be OK – it’ll catch up once replaced” they said. Eventually they put a 0.75HP replacement blower in (the blower output was bigger hence the bigger motor) and they said that it would be better on the basis of a more powerful blower presents more oxygen to the plant and this leads to a better bacteriological treatment. (I totally accept their reasoning and the fact that they couldn’t replace like for like – I know the manufacturer ceased production of the smaller blower some years ago.)

Anyway, it’s proving a little expensive to run and in order to cut our running costs down (and do our bit to save the environment!) I’ve a few ideas which the contracted plant maintainer doesn’t seem too keen on. These are as follows:
  1. Use a programmable, solid state ‘Cyclic Timer’ to control the blower motor – 1 hour on followed by 1 hour off – cycling round again and again during peak hours but run it constantly during off peak (e.g. typically 11PM through to 6AM – this for ‘catch up’ purposes). With that I would save 35% of my blower running costs. Anyone any thoughts on my plan and experience of a suitable cyclic timer? My plan would also cut down a little on consumable parts i.e. blower air-filter (negligible cost) and the blowers carbon vanes (~£160 every 6 months).

  2. Use a simple solid state timer to control the blower motor. Leave it running constantly for 17 hours peak time but turn it off via the timer for the 7 hours off peak. This would save me approximately 31% energy costs plus a proportional amount on consumables. This solution would be somewhat easier as a relatively cheap time would do the trick.

  3. Using a Cyclic-Timer again programme it to run 1 hour on / 1 hour off round the clock - this would save a full 50% on energy costs.
I’ve run this by our maintainer who shook his head and advised against it. I can’t help feeling he just sees it as an added complication and it’s much easier for him to say ‘No - run it constantly’. I should point out that maintenance includes carrying out some rudimentary tests on the treated output. If with implementing one of my plans the quality of effluent fell I would simply modify the timer(s) to give the blower more run time or set it to constant. With that we’d be a little out of pocket but back to square one. Also, I’ve not got an ‘Off Peak’ energy account yet but trust I could get one. Off peak times seem to vary from supplier to supplier but they all seem late evening to early morning. I should point out that any work would be contracted to a bona-fide electrical contractor.

Anyone any experience or any thoughts on my suggestions? All inputs appreciated.
 
How is it currently switched on and off.
 
How is it currently switched on and off.
It's effectively via a main, rotary switch (and I'm guessing a contactor). As long as there's power to the plant the blower runs as the plant is constantly on by design for other control purposes - emergency alarms, solenoids, fluid pump, etc.
 
I would ask the maintenance company, if it's ok for the motor not to run while it it faulty for 3 weeks then why is it not acceptable for the motor to run just in the 'off peak' period.
You need more info from them than ‘No - run it constantly’.
 
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If the motor has a start-relay, PTC thermistor or centrifugal switch (the latter unlikely these days) then as well as a total run-time life limit, it also has a maximum number of start cycles before one of these parts breaks, and that does sometimes kill the motor too. So they might have had bad experiences with too-frequent starting. This does not apply to permanent split capacitor motors though, which have no starting aids to wear out.
 
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If the motor has a start-relay, PTC thermistor or centrifugal switch (the latter unlikely these days) then as well as a total run-time life limit, it also has a maximum number of start cycles before one of these parts breaks, and that does sometimes kill the motor too. So they might have had bad experiences with too-frequent starting. This does not apply to permanent split capacitor motors though, which have no starting aids to wear out.
Thanks Lucien. The blower is just 6 months old. Quite certain it doesn't have any starting aids. That said your comment makes me think that should I go for one of my intended solutions I may fire off an email to the Elmo Rietschle support team - I don't want to invalidate warranty!
 

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