Need Some Advice / Guidance

[Lucien Nunes]

Has anyone noticed the rather random arrangement by which the MIG welder gets its feed? There are 3 single phase meters. One feeds the SP+N C/U, the other two feed the spot welder switchfuse directly (which has no N or 3rd phase, so I suspect the spot welder is single-phase 4ooV, run between two lines. Then those two lines loop out as the blue cables in flex conduit up to the 3-phase MIG welder switchfuse which gets its other phase from the SP+N CU. If any of these three are after the main switch in either the CU or the S.W. SF, then part of the installation will remain live when its main switch is turned off. Hopefully they are before, in which case they are extensions of the meter tails, so probably still a bit naughty.

And yes, there seems to be a lack of green-and-yellow!

 

[ipf]

Has anyone noticed the rather random arrangement by which the MIG welder gets its feed? There are 3 single phase meters. One feeds the SP+N C/U, the other two feed the spot welder switchfuse directly (which has no N or 3rd phase, so I suspect the spot welder is single-phase 4ooV, run between two lines. Then those two lines loop out as the blue cables in flex conduit up to the 3-phase MIG welder switchfuse which gets its other phase from the SP+N CU. If any of these three are after the main switch in either the CU or the S.W. SF, then part of the installation will remain live when its main switch is turned off. Hopefully they are before, in which case they are extensions of the meter tails, so probably still a bit naughty.

And yes, there seems to be a lack of green-and-yellow!

Yes, naughty indeed. I think I might be contacting Mr Pryde, the NIC approved contractor.
Not much pride in his work, by the looks.
Is the neutral looped between meters 1 and 3?

 

[Marvo]

I'm back again

Any chance I could be given temporary access to the arms @Marvo as I've got the testing info ?

I'm afraid the Arms is only available to professional sparkies who've been regular contributors to the forum. You can post the test documents here for discussion, I don't see why there might be any right to privacy issues with such documents.

 

[Corbs]

I'm afraid the Arms is only available to professional sparkies who've been regular contributors to the forum. You can post the test documents here for discussion, I don't see why there might be any right to privacy issues with such documents.

how come a few of the plumbers are in it then

but fair enough give it a month and then can you delete my files then

 

[Corbs]

Bump

 

[Marvo]

I assume if there's plumbers with Arms access it's because they're registered with an electrical scheme...

 

[telectrix]

I assume if there's plumbers with Arms access it's because they're registered with an electrical scheme...

more like usual plumbers . get in everywhere they should not, like shoving their nasty pipes in the holes that we've spent all day drilling for cables.

 

[Corbs]

Just to keep you updated

Did a bit of the grunt work myself eg bending and threading conduit

Sparks are coming in end of this week or start of next to finish up

 

[MFS Electrical]

It is perfectly acceptable for the armour of a swa cable and metal containment such as steel conduit and trunking to be used as an earth providing its continuity is satisfactory. The swa cable should be fitted with "banjos" though.

Im guessing when they installed the Crabtree board which was probably a replacement for an actual metal DB they somehow neglected to connect the conduits to the MET of the consumer unit

 

[MFS Electrical]

more like usual plumbers . get in everywhere they should not, like shoving their nasty pipes in the holes that we've spent all day drilling for cables.

There’s a soloution for that cut them out and put a stop end on just before the joiner boards over whatch their face when they can’t understand how something’s not working

 

[MFS Electrical]

Just to keep you updated

Did a bit of the grunt work myself eg bending and threading conduit

Sparks are coming in end of this week or start of next to finish up

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Nice neat bit of conduit in the middle pic there very impressive in the bottom pic did you flare the end and do an internal thread to accept the bush or was it a prefab bend ?

 

[Corbs]

Nice neat bit of conduit in the middle pic there very impressive in the bottom pic did you flare the end and do an internal thread to accept the bush or was it a prefab bend ?

Pre fab bend tried bending it but after tapping the bend took up too much length (not tight enough)

 

[MFS Electrical]

Pre fab bend tried bending it but after tapping the bend took up too much length (not tight enough)

I did think that although believe it or not I’ve never seen a prefab bend I’m too tight to buy one

 

[Rpa07]

It does make a tidy install having no coupler on the end.

 

[Corbs]

I did think that although believe it or not I’ve never seen a prefab bend I’m too tight to buy one

TBH I thought they were cheap around the 4 quid mark

 

[Pete999]

Just to keep you updated

Did a bit of the grunt work myself eg bending and threading conduit

Sparks are coming in end of this week or start of next to finish up

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Rather than bothering with the conduit bend, would it have been neater by using a coupler and a couple brass bushed coming out of the botomof the switch into the top of the socket outlet?

 

[MFS Electrical]

TBH I thought they were cheap around the 4 quid mark

That’s 4 quid too much

 

[Corbs]

Rather than bothering with the conduit bend, would it have been neater by using a coupler and a couple brass bushed coming out of the botomof the switch into the top of the socket outlet?

True but thought it was abit tight to the socket

 

[Pete999]

True but thought it was abit tight to the socket

It would look a far more professional job than using that bend, imo.

 

[Corbs]

It would look a far more professional job than using that bend, imo.

True but the commando plug doesn't support side entry

 

[Pete999]

True but the commando plug doesn't support side entry

It supports a top entry, and I should think the isolator would support a botom entry as well.

 

[Pete999]

True but the commando plug doesn't support side entry

It supports a top entry, and I should think the isolator would support a botom entry as well.

 

[Pete999]

True but the commando plug doesn't support side entry

Top of the plug to bottom of isolator!

 

[Corbs]

Top of the plug to bottom of isolator!

I see sorry for the wrong end of the stick

Reason why it needs to go to the left is there's a transformer (110) that sits on a bench below

That just clears the isolation was moved for the sparkys to run there wires

 

[Pete999]

True but the commando plug doesn't support side entry

Top of the plug to bottom of isolator!

I see sorry for the wrong end of the stick

Reason why it needs to go to the left is there's a transformer (110) that sits on a bench below

That just clears the isolation was moved for the sparkys to run there wires

Right

 

[Corbs]

Top of the plug to bottom of isolator!

Right

Sorry for my confusion and added confusion

 

[Pete999]

Sorry for my confusion and added confusion

Confusion Rules OK

 

[Corbs]

Bit of a conclusion

Sparkys finished up and final tests passed etc

 

[Pete999]

Bit of a conclusion

Sparkys finished up and final tests passed etc

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That SWA install looks a bit ropy no cleats!

 

[Corbs]

That SWA install looks a bit ropy no cleats!

Fixing / clip just above trunking right side (doubt you missed it ) so your saying from there to the board needs another clip ?

 

[Pete999]

Fixing / clip just above trunking right side (doubt you missed it ) so your saying from there to the board needs another clip ?

Well yes

 

[Corbs]

Well yes

ok will get him back to put another one in