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paulthe spark

Whats everyones views on other trades rate? Must say it annoys me a little the fact we seem to be on the same par as plasterers, painters and tilers now. No disrespect but these trades are not as technically skilled as electricians so why is this not reflected in the rate? We have to pay and study for courses and liable if someones house burns down but other trades not subjected to this are paid the same or not more? Ive heard electricians were always the best paid years ago so whats changed? I cant see the justification, sorry rant over but would welcome peoples views
 
Testing job nearby paying £11 per hour Self employed, all qualifications required, £8.60 paye government job. There ain't t no money in sparks jobs and there will not be again, if you can get out do it or if your happy on low pay stick with it, but forget about earning any descnt money. I don't think the rates will ever come back to what they should.
 
Not while there are so many people offering to work for free.
Does that happen in other trades? Do tilers, plumbers, painters and decorators etc work for free to gain experience?
 
I wouldn't worry guys the money will get
much better soon due to all the guys dropping out the trade due to poor wages there will be a shortage of sparks soon and this will again reflect on the wages
 
paulthe spark, This won't happen this time due to the new influx of workers from overseas. There are many sparks available at low wages, The sparks dropping out have found something better or retiring and are being replaced with sparks who are prepared to work for lower wages. The people wanting the work done can get their work done for lower labour costs, they will never be forced to pay more. why would they want to hand over more money? Get used to low pay, it's here to stay.
 
I have been doing this work as a DI for two years now, before that, decorating and tiling, of which I still do a bit now and then.

I charge a flat rate of £185 per day (8 hrs ) for decorating or tiling and £210 for electrical work.

Have not been without work for the last 20+ yrs, but I find it a lot easier getting the money for the decorating than anything else.

Poeple can see the end results with this but not with wiring, so they think your on the make all the time.
 
I just feel as every trades getting easier ours osgetting harder there is always more electrical stuff going in to places now and what really annoys me is when someone wnats a job doing and go and tell them what involved in it and they dont want it done no-more do they think there is batteries behind switches and sockets really getting ----ed of with the trade now
 
Lyngarth u only need to learn the art of plastering and you will be able to offer the complete service lol also what area are you in cuz at those sorts of rates ud b laughed at where I live but I'm up in the north I suppose
 
every proper spark on this forum appears to be disallusioned the domestic boys buy test gear etc not cheap compared to just the odd trowel and float now and again (no calibration needed either!!) like others have quoted people DO NOT UNDERSTAND what is involved to get a light to work or power to a socket (when i was on my apprenticeship the spark told me "always remember boy WE are the scientist of the building trades") NOT NOW ? SAD!!
 
I think it is fair to say that sparks do similar work as an accountant with all the math and regs etc involved nowdays but with the added graft of physical work.

we should be getting paid more for the amount of information to be considered not pushed / dumbed down.

What are all the regs going to do when nobody will pay for a spark and no spark can afford to meet the regs.

with that in mind is it a class collar war we are loosing.
 
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Lyngarth u only need to learn the art of plastering and you will be able to offer the complete service lol also what area are you in cuz at those sorts of rates ud b laughed at where I live but I'm up in the north I suppose

I did have a go at plastering on my own house, never again :eek:

I'm down here in Sunny Dorset. The money is still about down here but it is getting a little harder to find it out, but I have some very good customers and 90% of my new work is from word of mouth, so I'm very lucky.

I have been doing work for a top end kitchen company for 14yrs, hand painting the units on site, and now getting to do a lot of electrical work for them as well, which is good money and clean work.

Lyngarth
 
Government are employing fully qualified sparks for full range of electrical work at £8.60 an hour paye. To give you an idea of how low the UK electrical industry is going, in Australia the minimum wage for unskilled worker is $15 per hour = £8.82
 
No disrespect to young men but who else could afford to work for that money.

I do agree here.

I have just lost a contract (small) to a newly trained sparky living at home.

£70 a day he is charging.

He also occasionally subbies for a firm who, when needed, will go in and sign his work off he has done for the public.
 
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;) Working Around Other Trades !!!

Here’s a Good One !!
My Mates Cousin is in a Rented House , Electric Hob was Not Working , Telephoned the Landlord , Right said He , Get Someone Round as soon As ??
Well , Would you know it , A Plumber Done the Work , Not 17th Edition ?? , Sorry just Part P , His Reply was “ Like for Like “ how Long it took the Plumber , Half on Hour , Bill £70 Pounds , Sorry am in the Wrong Job ,

Big Mistake when they Gave Out Part P to Tom / Dick and Harry , Amber ,
Its being Exploited Big Time ,

Sorry to Hear you Lost Some Work Jason , Can’t Keep A Good Man Down , Ye :rolleyes:
 
Blame the Sparks who work too cheaply,now youve got to be able to sign off work as well,since this Domestic Installer rubbish,Part POO,its become another must have Qualification,rather than something you get paid extra for,what a cop out...............
 
As an industrial apprentice trained electrician I would say that my own personal experiences tell me what every sector you work in whether it be domestic, commercial or industrial you need to diversify. Although I was trained as an electrician my current role innvolves pneumatics, hydraulics, industrial controls, assisting with production and what ever is required. And why? Because companies do not want to pay for an Electrician and fitter or other skills that are required.
My point being the domestic and plumbing sectors have been attacked due to advocating competency via short courses and admission to self cert schemes. But maybe at the domestic end of the market they are potentially adding value to the customer. Lets face it if a tiler can be made competent to install sockets in a kitchen let the one man or team complete the job. But I hasten to add that if a domestic spark is any good and does a tidy job he should already have at least basic plastering and maybe tiling and concreting skills. He should with minimal training(maybe a short course) be able to attain a decent level of skill in these areas.
I generally do my own tiling but when I've had builders or tilers in and they do a good job and work hard I think they are worth at least the same as sparks due tio the effect they have on the job. However when on various electrical industrial jobs sparks should be getting over and above that of tilers and builders. This is because these sparks are beginning to utilise there technical knowledge more to complete their tasks.
Anyway, for what its worth grab as much money as you can!

Cheers
 
As an industrial apprentice trained electrician I would say that my own personal experiences tell me what every sector you work in whether it be domestic, commercial or industrial you need to diversify. Although I was trained as an electrician my current role innvolves pneumatics, hydraulics, industrial controls, assisting with production and what ever is required. And why? Because companies do not want to pay for an Electrician and fitter or other skills that are required.
My point being the domestic and plumbing sectors have been attacked due to advocating competency via short courses and admission to self cert schemes. But maybe at the domestic end of the market they are potentially adding value to the customer. Lets face it if a tiler can be made competent to install sockets in a kitchen let the one man or team complete the job. But I hasten to add that if a domestic spark is any good and does a tidy job he should already have at least basic plastering and maybe tiling and concreting skills. He should with minimal training(maybe a short course) be able to attain a decent level of skill in these areas.
I generally do my own tiling but when I've had builders or tilers in and they do a good job and work hard I think they are worth at least the same as sparks due tio the effect they have on the job. However when on various electrical industrial jobs sparks should be getting over and above that of tilers and builders. This is because these sparks are beginning to utilise there technical knowledge more to complete their tasks.
Anyway, for what its worth grab as much money as you can!

Cheers

I think that is a very good analogy of the current situation as all trades are jumping on the spark front with a green P on the rear of the vehicle then as a lot of sparks have said 'if a builder etc can do it i'm sure a spark can'.

I too can tile, hang doors, fit showers, baths, etc. If a spark can fit a new ceiling etc he can do a wall. so why would you expect your customer to pay for a builder and plasterer if you can save them the money and get extra work.
It all about utilizing your skills and making the most of what you are able to do. Not just what your willing to do. If you are capable and willing why not.

lol. train to be a spark then become a painter...I know... but it is hard times...so if I have no spark work and someone wants a new fence I would not say no.

saying that the other week my mate who is a kitchen fitter had a call to hang some pictures, he didn't want it and asked me if I would. I popped round to see the guy and he wanted all the fixtures fitted in a new house. It took me four hours and I earned £100. I charged a professional rate as someone with no electrical knowledge could well have drilled into wiring and that is probably why he wanted someone to do it for him.
 
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i cannot believe you ,sbrown2 !!! if the electricity was not available all the other trades would find life very difficult (unless they have a genny) it is US SPARKS THAT MAKE THE END PRODUCT LOOK GOOD !!!! NO POWER HOW CAN YOU LIGHT THAT KITCHEN ETC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
And I agree also. That is why in my current environment (thats not to say I do not work in the domestic or commercial environment at times) they prodominantly ask for electricians with mechanical bias/skills. We also know that to become a sparky, a proper sparky, you need more academic knowledge than your average tiler/builder. But it is on this site that I hear other sparkies knocking people who have come through the 2382-10/20, 2391-10/20 and register through NICEIC/NAPIT, 5 day to 1 year route. Are these sparkies. I am not sure!!:( Will these guys have the ability to fault find a ring circuit or wire a star/delta starter. Will these guys have the ability to understand the difference between shunt and no volt tripping. I suspect not. Therefore I agree with you but it is the value of the electrician in the said market. In the domestic market, and I used to be able to get a piece of this pie, it has been swamped out with all levels of electrical skills, whereas the tiler has not and so will maintain their standard of wages.

Regards
 
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The 2391 is a pretty tough route.

Apologies memory is getting slightly faded I do appreciate this, studied 2391/01. But could I ask the question are these courses supplementary or courses in there own right? And non the less it is a short 4-5 day course. 2382-10 just taken the exam but you can take a 5 day course. Bang 70% on the way to being a sparky.

Regards
 

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