Lighting circuit what to do

[haptism]

This is a new one on me and not so sure how to tackle it. The customer is extending 3 bedrooms, ive quoted to install new lighting circuit for these rooms.

The existing circuit for the upstairs lighting does not have an earth and due to its routing it will need extending to fit round the shape of the new rooms. This existing circuit is supplying j.b's in the loft that spider to the bathroom, hall, and another bedroom; the customer will not agree to have these rooms rewired in t&e as it means making holes in the ceilings ! (----)

If I bring in a new feed to the existing J'bs how do I stand on reconnecting the existing circuits that dont have a cpc ?? Customer is adamant he dont want existing rewired but he wants the lights back on, I will IR each of these existing lighting circuits, if they pass I was thinking to make a note on the EIC that customer refuses rewire, and then reconnect.

 

[buzzlightyear]

just put a new circuit to new area ,on the test cert put existing circuit needs rewire ,the end.

 

[haptism]

just put a new circuit to new area ,on the test cert put existing circuit needs rewire ,the end.

Yeh Buzz that would be functional but aint there a caveat in the regs that a new circuit should be sound "all the way round" so to speak.
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just put a new circuit to new area ,on the test cert put existing circuit needs rewire ,the end.

Just re-read that, yeh I see what you mean. If the customer don't agree to rewire then can I do what I said in original post, thanks.

 

[buzzlightyear]

you can not put gun to a customers head if they dont want it done .when you quote for a job tell them what you are going to do.

 

[Andy78]

Agree with Buzz. All your work must be compliant so a new circuit for your work would be the best way. Cite 132.16 to back yourself up.
Also tell them their 50+ year old wiring is due for a rewire when they get round to it.

 

[buzzlightyear]

Also tell them their 50+ year old wiring is due for a rewire when they get round to it

when the most of the house burns down and the extension still standing,lol.

 

[littlespark]

Make sure they don’t want any metal switches or fittings on their unearthed lighting circuits

 

[haptism]

Ive really recommended a rewire of existing lighting and switch drops but he's not having it full stop, don't know why but hes a problem customer who wont listen. Anyway the existing feed to the loft needs extending to get the lights back on as the builder cut the cable when he demolished the bedrooms. I was not certain on reconnecting this to the existing lights and switches that don't have an earth. Once ive convinced myself what to do I will get customer to sign a disclaimer and reconnect. The circuit is rcd'd and all class 2 at least.

 

[Andy78]

Ive really recommended a rewire of existing lighting and switch drops but he's not having it full stop, don't know why but hes a problem customer who wont listen. Anyway the existing feed to the loft needs extending to get the lights back on as the builder cut the cable when he demolished the bedrooms. I was not certain on reconnecting this to the existing lights and switches that don't have an earth. Once ive convinced myself what to do I will get customer to sign a disclaimer and reconnect. The circuit is rcd'd and all class 2 at least.

Might be one worth swerving if they already a problem.

 

[Megawatt]

This is a new one on me and not so sure how to tackle it. The customer is extending 3 bedrooms, ive quoted to install new lighting circuit for these rooms.

The existing circuit for the upstairs lighting does not have an earth and due to its routing it will need extending to fit round the shape of the new rooms. This existing circuit is supplying j.b's in the loft that spider to the bathroom, hall, and another bedroom; the customer will not agree to have these rooms rewired in t&e as it means making holes in the ceilings ! (----)

If I bring in a new feed to the existing J'bs how do I stand on reconnecting the existing circuits that dont have a cpc ?? Customer is adamant he dont want existing rewired but he wants the lights back on, I will IR each of these existing lighting circuits, if they pass I was thinking to make a note on the EIC that customer refuses rewire, and then reconnect.

Baptism if they keep acting like that give them a ridiculous price and see if they go for it and tell them you have rules you have to go by. If that doesn’t do it walk away

 

[Deleted account]

Ive really recommended a rewire of existing lighting and switch drops but he's not having it full stop, don't know why but hes a problem customer who wont listen. Anyway the existing feed to the loft needs extending to get the lights back on as the builder cut the cable when he demolished the bedrooms. I was not certain on reconnecting this to the existing lights and switches that don't have an earth. Once ive convinced myself what to do I will get customer to sign a disclaimer and reconnect. The circuit is rcd'd and all class 2 at least.

Give quote to do what you feel is right. If he doesn’t agree walk away.

EDIT: beat me to it megawatt

 

[haptism]

Yeh good points there, I do need to charge more anyway.

 

[buzzlightyear]

I was not certain on reconnecting this to the existing lights and switches that don't have an earth

me I would tell the builder to get his own spark in to reconnect .are you working for the builder or the customer ?.

 

[haptism]

me I would tell the builder to get his own spark in to reconnect .are you working for the builder or the customer ?.

For the customer

 

[buzzlightyear]

For the customer

tell the customer that the builder to sort what needs reconnecting .you are going to contract to the customer not the builder, if not walk.

 

[haptism]

Think I sleep on it and make decision tomorrow, thanks all its been an eye opener !

 

[buzzlightyear]

thanks all its been an eye opener

yeah but which one ,best to sleep on it ,right or left.lol.

 

[haptism]

yeah but which one ,best to sleep on it ,right or left.lol.

don't tell me that ffs

 

[westward10]

The absence of a cpc means ADS is not complied with and this part of the installation is not Class II no matter what accessories are fitted as general purpose accessories are not Class II. The inclusion of an rcd is irrelevant. A disclaimer would hold little water as your client is probably signing something to which he/she has no understanding of.

 

[haptism]

The absence of a cpc means ADS is not complied with and this part of the installation is not Class II no matter what accessories are fitted as general purpose accessories are not Class II. The inclusion of an rcd is irrelevant. A disclaimer would hold little water as your client is probably signing something to which he/she has no understanding of.

Thanks for the info, although that part of the installation I will not touch. Im concerned with running a new supply (which will have a cpc) to the existing lighting jb which serves the existing lights and switches. Is this recommended or not was the reason for the post.