your opinion please

[chrish_1977]

Anyway, I sub contract to a company doing council properties. Long story short neighbour of property I was working in asked if I could do a fuse board change as she was privately owned. I said yes and stated it would be through my company and not who I work for. She agree and the board was changed on a Saturday, anyway she now has called the company I work for and complained about me, my bids pulls me in the office and says that I should have asked for permission to do a job in my own time with my own bits and now he said he is going to invoice me for the time that one of colleagues took to test my work and check it wasnt his gear I used. What do you think about this, he has hinted that it will be several hundreds?!?

 

[worzol99]

Tell him to sod off! The cheek

 

[chrish_1977]

Just to add, he also said if I didn't like it then there's the door

 

[Octopus]

Sounds like he's got you by the short and curlies!

 

[worzol99]

As your a subbie they have no control over your work which isn't their own, next door or not! How much work do you get off them that what really matters?

 

[chrish_1977]

But I can't figure out what it's got to do with him, I'm not employed, my gear my time.

 

[chrish_1977]

Very regular

 

[KAS1]

You can't have your cake and eat it as they say, some employers would call it poaching work from them, as was said in post 4 got you by your short and curlies, time to move on I think

 

[chrish_1977]

Yeah, he had never said that it was a no no, of he had would never have done it, as never like to rock the boat, but yes am now looking for something else, just don't like being called a liar and being accused of theiving

 

[sedgy34]

What was the complaint

 

[KAS1]

You know what some employers are like, on the books or subbing to them, you are just a number, another pair of hands earning them money and if they think you're taking money out of their pockets they'll soon replace you and use any excuse they can find.

 

[oldtimer]

Ok I take it you have your own business fine and you do work for company A fine So when the woman next door approached you , you made it clear that you would do the work under your own business yes well if thats the case a lawyer would say you and the lady made a contract between each other .

So what made her complain to the business you do work for ie what was the reason . Also be aware that if you do work for this company under the banner of sub contract yet they are your principle payer the HMRC may see this as a tax dodge as you are not allowed to be a sole trader with one source of income as you must show at least 3 different sources of income and it cannot be a 90% 5% 5% split because if it is then HMRC will see this as tax evasion.

Looks to me that this company is treating you like an employee so please tell me they are not your only or main source of income

 

[william1]

Anyway, I sub contract to a company doing council properties. Long story short neighbour of property I was working in asked if I could do a fuse board change as she was privately owned. I said yes and stated it would be through my company and not who I work for. She agree and the board was changed on a Saturday, anyway she now has called the company I work for and complained about me, my bids pulls me in the office and says that I should have asked for permission to do a job in my own time with my own bits and now he said he is going to invoice me for the time that one of colleagues took to test my work and check it wasnt his gear I used. What do you think about this, he has hinted that it will be several hundreds?!?[/QUOTE

if you didn't use company van or company materials and it was your time you did the work in then the mistake is yours and YOUR!!!! company is to blame. this company you work for shouldn't be involed you did there work and plus you say she privatly rents so the council have nothing to do with that property.

i think its time for you to go solo and ditch these busy bodies they dont sound to friendly.

 

[chrish_1977]

It's on you don't have to tell me a out hmrc ( my wife is an accountant), I am Ltd so not a sole trader, but yes they do treat all the subbies as carded, eg uniform and make us put mag signs on our vans etc

 

[Silly Sausage]

What was the complaint

What was the complaint?

 

[KAS1]

So why did she complain about you, was it your workmanship or something else like the cost the mess or .................???

 

[oldtimer]

It's on you don't have to tell me a out hmrc ( my wife is an accountant), I am Ltd so not a sole trader, but yes they do treat all the subbies as carded, eg uniform and make us put mag signs on our vans etc

Tell your wife this is still tax evasion only thing is you are hiding behind a Ltd company that will not wash if you are audited 25 year ago this was a big thing but HMRC started to crack down on the big companies for this mostly petrochem and Banks who were using it to pay themselves dividends and not a wage so saving themselves Income & NI tax.

So it still comes down to source of income looks to me that the company you sub to is doing this to evade employers NI contributions pensions etc . Ask your wife to check this out as all it would take is a guy who is hacked off with this firm to then report them to HMRC who would use it as a big stick to other companies who are doing the same.

This is why I asked because to me it read that they were treating you as an employee and if they check your work out then they are doing just that O Dear

 

[darkstar26]

how did you sign it off chrish?

 

[chrish_1977]

Funny enough I went through building control so as not to have anything to do with the company, and the cert I have her she said was Mickey Mouse, hence the call to my office

 

[chrish_1977]

It's on you don't have to tell me a out hmrc ( my wife is an accountant), I am Ltd so not a sole trader, but yes they do treat all the subbies as carded, eg uniform and make us put mag signs on our vans etc

Tell your wife this is still tax evasion only thing is you are hiding behind a Ltd company that will not wash if you are audited 25 year ago this was a big thing but HMRC started to crack down on the big companies for this mostly petrochem and Banks who were using it to pay themselves dividends and not a wage so saving themselves Income & NI tax.

So it still comes down to source of income looks to me that the company you sub to is doing this to evade employers NI contributions pensions etc . Ask your wife to check this out as all it would take is a guy who is hacked off with this firm to then report them to HMRC who would use it as a big stick to other companies who are doing the same.

This is why I asked because to me it read that they were treating you as an employee and if they check your work out then they are doing just that O Dear

Exactly that, treated like an employee but without the benefits

 

[oldtimer]

Funny enough I went through building control so as not to have anything to do with the company, and the cert I have her she said was Mickey Mouse, hence the call to my office

You say my company but you mean my customer and if you think I am being trivial well thats how HMRC look at it also here is the following from their site.

[h=2]Check that you are self-employed[/h]The tax and National Insurance contributions you pay depend on whether you're self-employed or an employee - so it's important to check that you really are self-employed. You're usually self-employed if you can answer 'yes' to the following:

• Do you have the final say in how the business is run?
• Are you responsible for meeting any losses as well as taking any profits?
• Can you hire someone on your own terms to do work for you?
• Do you risk your own money?
• Do you provide the main items of equipment you need to do your job?
• Do you agree to do a job for a fixed price regardless of how long it may take?
• Can you decide what work to do, how and when to work and where to provide the services?
• Do you regularly work for a number of different people?
• Do you have to correct unsatisfactory work in your own time and at your own expense?

You can be self-employed for some of your work, but an employee of another business as well.
You normally have to pay tax and National Insurance contributions as if you're an employee if

• you work through an agency
• you're a company director
• you're the secretary of a club or the holder of any other office

If you're still unsure whether you count as self-employed, follow the link below for more guidance. Or you can contact your Tax Office or the HMRC Helpline for the Newly Self-Employed.

 

[KAS1]

So do you want to be an employee or a Ltd Co if it's a Ltd Co you could always go out and get your own contracts and ditch the subbing to that outfit lol

 

[Megavolt]

Can see your point. But I can sort of see there point as it was there job that you was approached on not yours should of passed it on to them in my opinion

 

[oldtimer]

Can see your point. But I can sort of see there point as it was there job that you was approached on not yours should of passed it on to them in my opinion

To makes matters worse his company is treating him like an employee and if they get involved in this then HMRC have them bang to rights

 

[chrish_1977]

Funny enough I went through building control so as not to have anything to do with the company, and the cert I have her she said was Mickey Mouse, hence the call to my office

You say my company but you mean my customer and if you think I am being trivial well thats how HMRC look at it also here is the following from their site.

[h=2]Check that you are self-employed[/h]The tax and National Insurance contributions you pay depend on whether you're self-employed or an employee - so it's important to check that you really are self-employed. You're usually self-employed if you can answer 'yes' to the following:

• Do you have the final say in how the business is run?
• Are you responsible for meeting any losses as well as taking any profits?
• Can you hire someone on your own terms to do work for you?
• Do you risk your own money?
• Do you provide the main items of equipment you need to do your job?
• Do you agree to do a job for a fixed price regardless of how long it may take?
• Can you decide what work to do, how and when to work and where to provide the services?
• Do you regularly work for a number of different people?
• Do you have to correct unsatisfactory work in your own time and at your own expense?

You can be self-employed for some of your work, but an employee of another business as well.
You normally have to pay tax and National Insurance contributions as if you're an employee if

• you work through an agency
• you're a company director
• you're the secretary of a club or the holder of any other office

If you're still unsure whether you count as self-employed, follow the link below for more guidance. Or you can contact your Tax Office or the HMRC Helpline for the Newly Self-Employed.

Oh my god, do you work for hmrc as you seem to be fixated on this, yes I have a ltd co, I am a director ad so employed by said company I pay no ad tax as required, I'm not stupid about this stuff as I said my wife is an accountant and a very good one too. I am not self employed as you seem to think

 

[KAS1]

You did ask for opinions, seems to me as though you got caught taking work off the company you were sub contracting to, so stop the moaning and put it down to hard luck. Poaching work is as bad as poaching labour in my book.

 

[oldtimer]

Oh my god, do you work for hmrc as you seem to be fixated on this, yes I have a ltd co, I am a director ad so employed by said company I pay no ad tax as required, I'm not stupid about this stuff as I said my wife is an accountant and a very good one too. I am not self employed as you seem to think

No I am not fixated just trying to highlight a few details as I know someone who was audited and was given a stonker of a tax bill to pay after 15 years of "sub contracting" and yes he had an accountant but his excuse was he had no idea he just worked on the figures he was given as I said I dont get off on this just seen and heard about it too many times . You need to get other work under you belt

 

[worzol99]

Can see your point. But I can sort of see there point as it was there job that you was approached on not yours should of passed it on to them in my opinion

What was their job? Too may people jumping on the bandwagon tax fiddle my bum, Chrish dont listen to this

 

[Guest55]

i would of asked the contract supervisor / manager first if ok to do the work , would have saved all the resulting hassle.
and im still struggling to grasp the customers complaint ?
not happy with notification all sounds wishy washy to be honest

 

[Megavolt]

What was their job? Too may people jumping on the bandwagon tax fiddle my bum, Chrish dont listen to this

Pardon. Well it wasn't his wouldn't of been there to be asked would he if he wasn't there working for this over company what with there sign writing on van and in there uniform.

 

[worzol99]

Pardon. Well it wasn't his wouldn't of been there to be asked would he if he wasn't there working for this over company what with there sign writing on van and in there uniform.

But still wasn't their job to haul him in, i remember a company i worked for who asked the spark's any work they get asked to do they would get 10 per cent if they went through the company. I can remember nothing went through!

 

[sedgy34]

So what was the complaint about

 

[sedgy34]

A neighbour has asked for a job to be done, u both arranged a Saturday so what business is it to the company you sub too.

 

[oldtimer]

Still waiting for an answer to this and more then again more like half a story

 

[Megavolt]

But still wasn't their job to haul him in, i remember a company i worked for who asked the spark's any work they get asked to do they would get 10 per cent if they went trough the company. I can remember nothing went through!

I know what your saying but if you take a chance you have to take the consequences. What else could they do most would of sacked him on the spot

 

[worzol99]

I know what your saying but if you take a chance you have to take the consequences. What else could they do most would of sacked him on the spot

Don't understand this point of view, sacked for what? His own parts, own time etc not the company's property

 

[oldtimer]

Well not seen this before the OP has left the building now its pure speculation


Time to unsubscribe

 

[chrish_1977]

Still waiting for an answer to this and more then again more like half a story

Maybe you should read all posts before commenting on half a story, she accused me of giving her a Mickey Mouse cert as I went through building control an issued a cert from regs book and she has been brainwashed to accept nothing but niceic

 

[darkstar26]

i really can't see what you've done wrong tbh

 

[R G]

I worked for SEC as a subbie and they treated you the same , when they gave me mag signs to put on my van I gave them back and told them I own the van and not them , they all seem to think they own you these days , I would rather do my own work than be treated like this